Drowning is the theme of the entire hour, whether it's the random inadvertent tumble of the elderly, or a young man's purposeful dive into a killer wave. Mischke's guest is former presidential speech writer David Litt, author of the book, It's Only Drowning: A True Story of Learning to Surf and the Search for Common Ground.

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