On the latest episode of The New Abnormal, an exploration of the way the world’s richest man has effectively “canceled himself.” Then, The Bulwark’s Will Sommer joins the show to discuss the MAGA podcast sphere—and how the ideas being floated there in recent weeks are veering into dangerous territory. Plus! A conversation with ProPublica reporting fellow Nicole Foy about her recent piece titled, “Some Americans Have Already Been Caught in Trump’s Immigration Dragnet. More Will Be.”

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