On September 28th the NACUBO 2015 Planning and Budgeting Forum kicks off in Austin, Texas and Howard Teibel will be there, joining Sue Menditto — NACUBO’s director of accounting policy — in a presentation on leadership and change and getting the organization you want. We’re thrilled to have Sue join us for our conversation today.

Sue kicks us off with some background on the conference and makes a fantastic case for attending. This is the fourth year for the Planning and Budgeting forum and 2015 is already at capacity.

From there, Howard and Sue walk us through a concept not entirely new to listeners of this show, but one with a unique new spin. Central to it is this idea that technical skills are a given, but soft skills have become the new differentiator in the best leaders. The twist is all about permission that leads to a new way of thinking about the work. For that, we hope you’ll dive in and listen to this week’s show!