The Herle Burly

National Defence with David Perry


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The Herle Burly was created by Air Quotes Media with support from our presenting sponsor TELUS, as well as CN Rail.

Alright, you curious, you courageous Herle Burly-ites … welcome to the pod!

On the heels of the NATO Summit in Washington, I want to do some real talk on Canada’s stated commitment and the Prime Minister’s comments at the Summit. In the context of an increasingly volatile world, 23 of 32 NATO Allies are currently meeting the 2% of GDP military investment threshold. Canada is not one of them.

But, by 2032, Trudeau says the government “hopes to reach the target”. By spending on new capabilities like submarines, which have yet to be costed or approved. So, what does this all mean, exactly? And how best should we be spending our 2%?

With me to have that discussion is Dr. David Perry, President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, a non-partisan, independent think tank. He’s the author of multiple publications on defence budgeting, transformation and procurement, and a columnist for the Canadian Naval Review. His PhD in political science came from Carleton University and he’s an adjunct professor at the Centre for Military and Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, as well as a research fellow of the Centre for the Study of Security and Development at Dalhousie University.

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