National Polygamy Advocate

National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel gave his second of 2 interviews with Alley Einstein for "Big Pictures & Strong Features," on February 15, 2008. Writing a story about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the writer’s purpose for this second interview sought to make arrangements for conducting a conference call interview with a polygamous family and for making compensation to the TruthBearer.org organization for the story. The writer was an established independent writer for British magazines, including Fabulous, More, and Take a Break. (NOTE: “UIC” was also written on the physical audiocassette tape of the original copy of this interview. She was also known as "Alison Rose," being a TV journalist in Australia.) Listeners may hear that first interview in the previous podcast episode. Even so, the airing of this second interview becomes the 200th episode posted of the National Polygamy Advocate ™ PODCAST.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel gave his first of 2 interviews with Alley Einstein for "Big Pictures & Strong Features," on February 13, 2008.  The writer was an established independent writer for British magazines, including Fabulous, More, and Take a Break. (NOTE: “UIC” was also written on the physical audiocassette tape of the original copy of this interview.  She was also known as "Alison Rose," being a TV journalist in Australia.) In addition to learning about what she called "mature polygamy," the writer was (successfully) contracting with Mark Henkel to organize a conference call with a family in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The agreement would limit the article to only the print edition - neither for the United States nor anything online. She also agreed to many required conditions, too.  The writer asked many excellent questions. Mark Henkel provided several excellent soundbites. When Mark Henkel used the term, “Multiple Monogamy,” the writer said “I like that phrase.” She also initiated her own comparison of how, when Prince Charles married Princess Diana, it was understood that "he would still keep his mistress." Mark Henkel affirmed how her comparison demonstrates the hypocrisy of those who support that concept but still oppose UCAP.  The writer even declared, “I am a supporter of polygamy.” The subsequent interview would solidify the arrangements for the writer’s conference call with one of the families from Mark Henkel’s organization.  Listeners may hear that second interview in the next subsequent podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was to be interviewed by Gregor Craigie for "The Current," a morning radio program on CBC, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, on February 4, 2005.   Earlier that week, a new federal bill had been submitted to legalize same sex marriage in Canada.  (That bill would eventually pass later in Canada that year on July 20, 2005, as "The Civil Marriage Act.") The news cycle raised questions about whether the same rights would have to include UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The producer wanted to ask Mark Henkel questions to use on a show the following week. As Mark Henkel was recovering from having the flu, they agreed to do the interview the next week if the producer got approval.  When Mark Henkel had not heard back by the following Tuesday (February 8, 2005), he called the producer back. The seemingly eager and positive producer continued to want to do the story, but he had still not received approval from his editors.  Ultimately, neither the interview nor the story ever happened, and the producer was neither reached nor heard from again.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Court TV Morning Radio with Vinnie Politan, on satellite Sirius 110, on December 21, 2007.   Mark Henkel was included as one of the host's favorite past guests over the previous year. For that reason, the host invited Mark Henkel to appear on this "Christmas Special" show.  Mostly, this appearance was a brief but fun exchange, wishing a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays from the perspective of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. This was the second year in a rowin which the host had invited Mark Henkel to be on the  "Christmas Special."  At the same time, this was the host's very last episode of his show too.  As Mark Henkel was brough on the air to speak, eh got cut off.  The producer reconnected and brought him back on, and the host started fresh. Clearly enjoying Mark Henkel as a guest, the host always kept it fun and Mark Henkel responded  with equally fun answers.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Mary Fischer for the New York Times, on March 15, 2002. The second of two calls, this is the larger interview conducted the next day. The writer had already begun writing an article about non-Mormon based polygamy and she had been referred to Mark Henkel as the authority on the topic. This half-hour interview provides comprehensive education, insights, and soundbites.  Conducted only 6 months after the infamous 9/11 (2001) tragedy, Mark Henkel mentioned the positive Open Directory Project (ODP) of DMOZ.org as well as the negative Tom Green whom he identified as the "polygamy Tim MacVeigh."  Mark Henkel shared the Biblical arguments of Christian Polygamy, detailed how the movement had started and grown since 1994, and explained the “House of Cards” analogy for persuading others of the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution for ending the Marriage Debate."

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Mary Fischer for the New York Times, on March 14, 2002. This was the first of two calls, with the larger interview conducted the following day. The writer had already begun writing an article about non-Mormon based polygamy.  She had learned of Mark Henkel as an established authority on the topic through the author of a new book at the time (“A Three Ring Marriage”) whose website for the book was ordered and hosted by the webhosting services of the TruthBearer.org organization, founded by Mark Henkel. Listeners may hear the second (and fuller) interview with this writer in the next episode of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was pre-interviewed a 4th time by Kristina Kendall, producer for John Stossel, on "20/20" on ABC News TV, on January 24, 2008. This episode is the second of the two newly-found "lost interviews" for this specific television project. This half-hour interview occurred two weeks after the producer and Mark Henkel had flown together to film and interview a UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) family from Mark Henkel's organization for three days, in preparation of the project.  The purpose of this additional pre-interview was to prepare for the next step of flying Mark Henkel to New York for the formal taped interview with John Stossel himself (on January 30, 2008) for the segment that eventually aired on July 18, 2008.  Herein, Mark Henkel makes his startling, hilarious, yet powerful soundbite about the hypocrisy in the same sex marriage debate: "Marriage controllers say that they are usually conservatives for limited government, but instead what they are, they're like straight men who offer their backsides up to big government and wonder why they get screwed. And then they wonder why homosexuals want to join in their orgy of socialism."  As the producer later ran through some of the soundbites captured from the earlier interview with the UCAP family, she re-stated one of the great lines from one of the wives who said, "It's better to have nice, good husband that you share than to have a mean, abusive scum to yourself."  The producer conducted herself as one of the most professional, compassionate, and understanding producers to have ever interviewed Mark Henkel.  She even declared to him, "You are so sweet" and "You are an amazing advocate."

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was pre-interviewed a 3rd time by Kristina Kendall, producer for John Stossel, on "20/20" on ABC News TV, on December 18, 2007. This episode is one of the two newly-found "lost interviews" for this specific television project.  Earlier that day, Mark Henkel had given a lengthy interview with the producer. At the end of that first December 28, 2007, interview (which was previously+ broadcast as a past episode of this podcast), she asked to call Mark Henkel back later that same day. This specific "lost interview" is the call she made later that day. This hour-long interview contains numerous educational insights, excellent soundbites, and enjoyable discussion. Just a few examples include a detailed understanding about Love-not-Force, the possible teaser of how some UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) supporters have called Mark Henkel as "the next Martin Luther for Christians and the next Martin Luther King for civil rights," how other African Americans who did not publicly do as Rosa Parks had done on the bus still supported her and absolutely still wanted the same freedoms every bit as much as she did (and how that applies to UCAP), and a fun conversation discussing flights, cell coverage, and plans to first film the polygamous family and then to film Mark Henkel with John Stossel himself.  This "lost interview," therefore, is the 3rd of 4 pre-interviews with Kristina Kendall for this specific project. Accordingly, the second "lost interview" (which occurred later, on January 24, 2008) is the 4th of all of the 4 pre-interviews, and it will be presented in the next episode of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel spoke for 9th & last time with producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on August 23, 2006. This final conversation was the ninth of nine (9of9) discussions with this producer over a few months in 2006. Likewise from the previous interview with this producer, this interview once again referenced the fact that the previous Saturday had been the official “Polygamy Day ®”. In this last discussion in this series, the producer and Mark Henkel discussed ways that they could organize a "tour” of interviewing polygamous families. Mark Henkel explained how that could possibly happen, also re-iterating the essential protocols that he called “The 3 Anons” - i.e.,  Mosaics, Voice Changes, and Pseudonyms for the families recorded.  The producer agreed, understanding the necessity of the protocols. The discussion ended with plans to explore such possibilities. Ultimately, though, this podcast episode concludes with 14 attempts to call the producer until September 1, 2006. No more conversations occurred again.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel spoke for 8th time with producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on August 21, 2006. This was the eighth of nine (8of9) discussions with this producer over the following months in 2006.  The Saturday before this conversation had been the official “Polygamy Day ®.”  Mark Henkel noted that the show had reported of Mormon polygamists rallying in Utah on that day, but he had not received any call about it to balance it out beyond the “Mormon stereotype.”  The producer said that she had not been part of that segment as she had been working on a different story. Being called away at the end of this conversation, she  stated her intention to get back to Mark Henkel later.  The final discussion in this series of nine interview conversations will be presented in the next episode of this podcast.

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