National Polygamy Advocate

National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 1, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage."  The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage.  In this Part 1 segment of the positive, educational interview, in order to build a foundation for his set of comprehensive answers to that main question, Mark Henkel opened by detailing the US Supreme Court's decision of Reynolds V. United States in 1878.  He established four background points under which he would make his arguments.  Anti-polygamy laws are unconstitutional in the States under the Tenth Amendment. The Reynolds case was only affirming an 1862 law where the federal government is only allowed authority under the "jurisdictional management" clause for non-State territories (Article 4, Section, 3, Paragraph 2).  Would-be conservatives fall into hypocrisy to rely on that case under which "those 1878 liberal activist judges" concocted a nationwide precedent using a law that was limited only to non-State territories. For this Part 1 segment, Mark Henkel concluded his opening foundation, "The Reynolds case can not survive under a State's challenge to it. If a State was to allow polygamy, the federal anti-polygamy case of Reynolds would absolutely crumble in a heartbeat."  The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 15 (the final one) of the second post-interview.  It all stems from an article that the writer had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January, 2008. After the article had contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, Mark Henkel requested of the writer to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008, to which she agreed. They both also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which was conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the fifteenth part of that second discussion - the last and final episode of the post-interviews with this writer.  Mark Henkel re-iterated how had been trying to protect the writer’s credibility.   He had done everything he could to help her make an accurate and non-hostile article.  Unfortunately, the writer still chose to “edit” her article in a still-unacceptable - some might even say, passive aggressively hostile - manner.  Since 2008, Mark Henkel patiently gave the writer an obviously-significant amount of time to correct herself in this matter: he waited over 14 years before letting this true story be revealed to the public with this podcast in 2022.  Yet, as Mark Henkel explained at the conclusion of this episode, massive events (which would occur soon afterward in the Spring/Summer of 2008) fully vindicated every action and every reason why everything that Mark Henkel had said and done with this writer were absolutely… “of necessity.”

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 14 (the next-to-last one) of the second post-interview.  It all stems from an article that the writer had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January, 2008. After the article had contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, Mark Henkel requested of the writer to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008; and, she agreed. They both also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the fourteenth part of that second discussion.   This Part 14 segment is a very short episode (on purpose), as Mark Henkel re-iterated the problem of the writer's article misrepresenting polygamy, as preparation for the conclusion of all of the 15 parts of this post-interview. That last and final remaining part of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episode of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 13 of the second post-interview.  It all stems from an article that the writer had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January, 2008. After the article had contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, Mark Henkel requested of the writer to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008.  She agreed. The two also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the thirteenth part of that second discussion.   In this Part 13 segment, Mark Henkel explained that, if the writer was still going to incolude two irrelevant sites, she should add the details that identify those facts about their irrelevance.  The writer was more focused on saying, "Next point?"  The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 12 of the second post-interview.  It all stems from an article that the writer had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January, 2008. After the article had contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, Mark Henkel requested of the writer to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008.  She agreed. The two also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the twelfth part of that second discussion.   In this Part 12 segment, Mark Henkel explained why the writer was undermining her credibility by listing other non-credible polygamy personals sites. He also explained the "Hobson's Choice" that the writer was imposing on him regarding the one and only polygamy personals website with verified real single women advertising in it. The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 11 of the second post-interview - and it is aery short one, relative to other episodes of this podcast.  The reason for the shortness of this episode is two-fold.  First, it shows how insulting the writer presented herself as she rudely went from "Next" to "Next" in her processing of point corrections.  Second, it demonstrates an issue that had become a problem at that time: a force polygamist who was undermining the movement (with his force polygamy views) by labelling himself with a title of "Pastor" in order to pretend that he had more credibility than he possessed, so that manufactured news corporations would falsely quote him as if he was a qualified representative of the Christian Polygamy movement (which he was not).  It all stems from an article that the writer had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January, 2008. After the article had contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, Mark Henkel requested of the writer to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008.  She agreed. The two also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. Although rather brief (on purpose), this episode is the eleventh part of that second discussion. The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 10 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January, 2008. After the article had contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, Mark Henkel requested of the writer to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008 - to which she agreed. The two also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the tenth part of that second discussion. In this Part 10 segment, Mark Henkel clarified a reference that had been attributed to a deputy sheriff.  Mark Henkel noted that that man was only familiar with Mormon Polygamy and that the man knew nothing about any other forms of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.  The writer declared, "Next!"  The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 9 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year. The article contained many negativities to be corrected. So, the writer agreed to Mark Henkel’s request to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the nineth part of that second discussion. In this Part 9 segment, the writer sarcastically asserted, “Ok, what are your other points. Let’s go!” After a calm pause, Mark Henkel began; he proceeded by making a correction to a statement from the writer’s article that claimed that "taking multiple wives is essential for them." Mark Henkel explained that, while it might be so for the couple being mentioned at that part of the article, it is not representative of other Christian Polygamists or of Christian Polygamy in general. "Essential... is not an accurate statement." The writer claimed that someone from another site had said it too (the same person whom she had previously labelled as “Pastor”).  As they had already discussed the issues about that person as a source, Mark Henkel again noted how that person was "utterly uncredible" and that that man's websites had already been ignored by the movement.  Rather than learn from this mistake, though, the writer instead retorted, "Well, you will have to take that up with" (that man, by name). Mark Henkel declared, "I don't understand why you're protecting your elevation of a person who's uncredible. This is hurting you." the remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 8 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year. The article contained many negativities to be corrected. So, the writer agreed to Mark Henkel’s request to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the eighth part of that second discussion. In this Part 8 segment, the writer repeatedly pretended, "I am listening to you, Mark."  As her actions and choices revealed that her actions were not matching up with the pretended assertion, Mark Henkel exposed that outright gaslighting by continuing to repeat, "I am pleading wiith you to listen, but you're not listening."  She instead gaslighted as if such pleading was somehow an act of "insulting" her. Over-confident, the writer declared permission to Mark Henkel to "post this on the internet." Realizing that the gaslighting was not working on Mark Henkel, the writer eventually asked, "Are we done?"  Mark Henkel repeated that they had not even begun to address the matter. With hostile sarcasm, the writer concluded, "Right. Ok."  The discussion did continue, however. The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 7 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year. The article contained many negativities to be corrected. So, the writer agreed to Mark Henkel’s request to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the seventh part of that second discussion. In this Part 7 segment, the writer continued to pretend she was being kind while she was instead, as Mark Henkel again said to her, "You're stepping on me." Mark Henkel continued to try to give her the education on the topic, yet the writer refused to listen while pretending she was doing so. As the writer claimed, "This is ridiculous," Mark Henkel immediately affirmed, "It IS ridiculous." The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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