National Polygamy Advocate

National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 6 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year. The article contained many negativities to be corrected. So, the writer agreed to Mark Henkel’s request to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the sixth part of that second discussion. In this Part 6 segment, Mark repeatedly clarified that, not one thing but, a number of different things had happened over the course of 2006 and 2007 which were all contributory to the growth of the movement, of his organization’s membership, and of its website’s hits. The writer kept trying to suggest the growth was exclusively connected to the Warren Jeffs capture in August of 2006. Mark Henkel explained that additional factors from HBO’s “Big Love” in Spring of 2006, the Holm case going to the Supreme Court in January 2007, Season Two of “Big Love” in Spring of 2007, and more were also additional contributory portions to his reference to the movement’s growth as of Summer 2007 - not 2006.  The movement’s growth was not connected to Warren Jeffs, as her article had previously seemed to imply. Mark Henkel concluded, “That’s why I am not being semantical. It really is important.” The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 5 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year. The article contained many negativities to be corrected. So the writer agreed to Mark Henkel’s request to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the fifth part of that second discussion.  In this Part 5 segment, Mark noted how the writer’s article had got specific details incorrect. He differentiated the issue of experts from the “committee called ‘they,’” that the growth of 2Wives.com or his organization’s membership was not connected to the criminal Warren Jeffs, and how 2007 is not 2006.  The writer accepted these corrections, concluding, “Fine.”  The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 4 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year. The article contained many negativities to be corrected. So the writer agreed to Mark Henkel’s request to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the fourth part of that second discussion.  In this Part 4 segment, Mark Henkel noted how the writer was "stepping on" him for continuously repeating that she was going to remove both mentions of "sister site" and "2Wives.com" from an edited version of the article. Mark Henkel repeatedly told her that it was only the "sister site" reference, not the other reference to "2Wives.com," that needed to be removed. The writer passive aggressively continued to act as if that meant both references. Mark Henkel explained how he was trying to help her keep her credibility and then he expressed why he was getting frustrated - to which the writer took 8 solid seconds of silence before saying, "Are you ready to move forward now?" Mark Henkel replied, "The question is, Are you?" Mark Henkel explained that that specific issue was not resolved, and that solving it was how to move forward. The writer finally acquiesced and said that she would only take out the "sister site" reference alone, even saying it three times. The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008.  This is Part 3 of the second post-interview.  It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year.  As the article contained many negativities to be corrected, the writer agreed to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008.  She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008.  This episode is the third part of that second discussion.   In this Part 3 segment, the writer began asking whether Mark Henkel wanted to be taken out of the article.  She asked the same “question” regarding the mention of the 2Wives.com website.  Mark Henkel repeatedly explained that it was only the “sister site” reference but not the actual 2Wives.com site that needed to be removed.  The writer continued to say both terms would be removed while also asking for Mark Henkel to go through the article “point by point” for correction.  As she continued to play this psychological mind-game, the writer claimed that Mark Henkel was “veering off-topic” and supposedly trying to argue with her (when she was the one causing the argument), and she pretended that she was trying to supposedly “get this story right.”  She repeated, “You keep spinning. You keep spinning.”  Mark Henkel was never caught by the passive aggressiveness or mind-game.  To get her attention, Mark Henkel even stopped and slowly counted out loud from one to ten.  He then said very slowly and calmly, “Listen to me, please.  You are talking to the National Polygamy Advocate. I have the knowledge to help you do this right. Listen to me, please.”   Because she was a student, Mark Henkel explained that he was trying to help her to protect her.  He also let her know, “One way or another, these facts are going to be told about this report.” He was simply trying to help her “get the story right.”  (These facts are only being made public for the very first time with this podcast in the year 2022 – which is 14 years after these events happened.) In the end of this Part 3 segment, the writer asserted that she was supposedly not stepping on Mark Henkel. Yet, she still did it again, right away.  Mark Henkel concluded, “And that’s how you’re stepping on it.”   The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani on March 4, 2008, following an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year.  (This is Part 2 of that second post-interview.)  Because the article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, the writer agreed to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008.  She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008.  This episode is the second part of the second discussion.  In this segment, the writer had begun to demonstrate that she was not all that positive toward Mark Henkel after all, responding to Mark Henkel’s professional expertise with statements such as “I don’t know that” – such an assertion which no unbiased journalist would ever make back to any interviewee.  For confirmations, the writer repeated back to Mark Henkel the exact opposite of what he had previously told her.  Mark Henkel said that it was not what he had said and admitted to her, “I’m tired of re-explaining that.”  She responded, “Do you want to be taken out of the article?”  She followed up such tactics by saying that she supposedly “did not want to argue” even though she was doing just that.  Mark Henkel asked, “Listen to me…. Please hear me.”  In the end of this segment, Mark Henkel repeated his positive intent, “I'm trying to help you here, and you're arguing with me - which is bizarre to me.” The remaining parts of that second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani on March 4, 2008, for an article she would write as a student for the Columbia News Service.  (This is Part 1 of that second post-interview.)  After interviewing Mark Henkel in January of that year, the writer subsequently published an article on February 19, 2008, distributed to many other news sources.  Because the article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, the writer agreed to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008.  She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008.  This episode is the first part of the second discussion. This second post-interview opened with the writer addressing how another writer had chopped up her article which she said was “unjournalistic.” Following with mutual agreement with Mark Henkel on that point, the writer then proceeded to ask Mark Henkel to identify points in her article that were specifically inaccurate.  At one point, she asked a question in such a way that Mark Henkel had to point out that she had “asked the question backwards” - that it was "reverse stated."  As he clarified that specificity, she laughed.  Addressing a line she had written in the article about how long the movement of Christian Polygamy had been progressing, she tried to suggest that she was, technically, not inaccurate. As Mark Henkel pointed out, the movement had specifically begun on July 4, 1994 – which was almost 14 years since the time of that second post-interview, not the 12 years as she had mistakenly reported.  He then noted how it was important to specify the marking date of July 4, 1994, because other journalists and writers could mis-use her less-than-accurate statement to repeat it – just like she had complained a writer had done with her article already. The remaining parts of that second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed by Zehra Mamdani for an article she wrote as a student for the Columbia News Service, on February 26, 2008 - Part 5.  After interviewing Mark Henkel in the previous month, the writer subsequently published an article on February 19, 2008, distributed to many other news sources.  Mark Henkel and the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Unrelated Consenting Adults were blind-sided: the writer's article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected.  This episode is the fifth and final part of the first discussion in which Mark Henkel sought to help the writer make needed corrections.  The writer and Mark Henkel both agreed to have another discussion days later; that second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed by Zehra Mamdani for an article she wrote as a student for the Columbia News Service, on February 26, 2008 - Part 4.  After interviewing Mark Henkel in the previous month, the writer subsequently published an article on February 19, 2008, distributed to many other news sources.  Mark Henkel and the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Unrelated Consenting Adults awere blind-sided: the writer's article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected.  This episode is the fourth part of the discussion in which Mark Henkel sought to help the writer make needed corrections.  In this episode, Mark Henkel addressed the problem of the article elevating two topical non-authorities, all of which poses a threat to the movement of unrelated consenting adult polygamy (UCAP).  One of the ones so elevated had even been quoted using Mark Henkel's own unique style of terminology.  The writer replied that that shows that the gentleman "reads your stuff" and TruthBearer.org. The problem, Mark Henkel explained, is "that he's being elevated when he's irrelevant."  Bringing this Part4 of the podcast to a close, Mark Henkel concluded, "I have no problem with him being quiet.  But I have a problem when he is being elevated - because of the threat he poses to our movement, as the anti-polygamists use him as a poster boy to say that 'force polgamy' is (supposedly) what we're about."  Mark Henkel has always made it emphatically clear that that is not what the movement has ever been about.

National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed by Zehra Mamdani for an article she wrote as a student for the Columbia News Service, on February 26, 2008 - Part 3. After interviewing in the previous month, the writer subsequently published an article on February 19, 2008, distributed to many other news sources. Blind-siding the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Unrelated Consenting Adults as well as Mark Henkel himself, the writer's article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected. This episode is the third part of the discussion in which Mark Henkel sought to help the writer make needed corrections. In this episode, Mark Henkel even provided contrast that he had recently undertaken a positive project for a major television news magazine show, about which he would not yet name drop at that time (until after it aired); it was the show, "John Stossel Special on 20/20," which aired on ABC in July 18, 2008. As for her own article, the writer was self-convinced that she thought that supposedly "neutral" readers would not see what she had written as negative. Mark Henkel explained how too many of the manufactured news corporations "won't cut us any slack." The writer exclaimed with seemingly-sounded surprise, "You don't think this article was cutting you slack? Oh man!" That assertion only revealed how much she did not understand. Mark Henkel explained how "we have to be abso-positively perfect. There is nothing that can said or mis-quoted because then it gets used as a justification for the next thing I've got to defend, it becomes the next issue." Mark Henkel then brought up (from the writer's article) "that horrendous sentence" that suggested that normal healthy UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, supposedly "has a reputation for underage marriage and domestic violence." Concluding this Part 3 of the podcast, Mark Henkel vehemently declared against that untruth, "No such thing. We have no such reputation for that."

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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed by Zehra Mamdani for an article she wrote as a student for the Columbia News Service, on February 26, 2008 - Part 2.  After interviewing in the previous month, Mark Henkel, the writer subsequently published an article, "Polygamists Hit the Web in Search of 'Sister Wives'" on February 19, 2008, that was also picked up by many other news sources. Blind-siding the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Unrelated Consenting Adults as well as Mark Henkel himself, the writer's article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected. This episode is the second part of the discussion in which Mark Henkel sought to help the writer make needed corrections. The writer stated her opinion that she did not think neutral readers would find things negatively. Mark Henkel noted how anti-polygamists routinely look to twist things that he has said. He explained that it was important to correct for accuracy because (as he concluded this Part 2): "I know the attacks I get." This episode in the podcast provides Part 2 of that lengthy telephone post-interview.

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