In this compelling episode, host Tormod Malvin Sæther delves deep into the implications of the NATO Summit in The Hague for Ukraine with our esteemed guest, Leo Litra.

As a visiting fellow with the European Council on Foreign Relations and a senior fellow at New Europe Center in Kyiv, specializing in security and foreign policy, Litra offers a vital Ukrainian perspective on security and foreign policy, providing analysis of one of Ukraine's most pressing needs: predictable and substantial financial support. He argues that a commitment from NATO members to count aid to Ukraine as part of their defense spending targets, like the proposed 5% GDP, is crucial for Ukraine's long-term defense and to fundamentally alter Russia's strategic calculations. This 5-percent target, a central theme in the conversation, was adopted by NATO leaders just hours after this interview was recorded.

We explore the skepticism surrounding immediate peace talks, examining how Russia's robust alliances with North Korea, Iran, and China continue to fuel its war machine. The conversation also shifts to the harsh realities of living in Kyiv under escalating air attacks, discussing the resilience of Ukrainian society versus the tactical objectives of Russian aggression, and the broader societal and economic impacts.

Furthermore, Litra shares his expectations for the anticipated meeting between Mr. Trump and President Zelensky, emphasizing Ukraine's desire for clear understanding and practical deliverables. He concludes with a powerful message to NATO and European nations: «You are more powerful than you think. And you need to use your leverage. You are able to stop this war.»

This episode offers critical insights into the military, political, and human dimensions of the ongoing war against Ukraine.

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