In this episode, the guys dive into the tension of relationships in ministry—what it looks like to be someone’s friend while also leading them. They talk about having hard conversations, handling correction, and navigating the weight of leadership when it involves people close to you, like friends and family. The conversation also hits on how difficult it can be for leaders to find spaces where they can truly be themselves while balancing roles as a pastor, spouse, parent, and friend. It’s an honest look at the challenge of leading well, loving people well, and staying human in the middle of it all.