On this episode of the NCS Podcast Chris and Mark talked to Len Carmichael . Len has a plethora of contributions to the scene and music in general. Len has a recording studio in New Jersey called Landmine Studios,. Hes currently in the bands Born Tired and Fail You . He also has a podcast called the Upgrade Podcast. We talked to Len about getting into hardcore , his studio , his bands and a whole lot more.

Episode music is "Who Do You Think You Are" from Len's old band My Turn To Win