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Over a 12-year period from the 1970s through to the 1980s, multiple women would go missing in Anchorage Alaska. Alaska State Troopers thought they could have a serial killer on their hands and even brought in the FBI to do a profile on who the killer could be. 

In 1983 a young, 17-year-old Cindy Paulsen would come forward and tell police about her harrowing escape from Robert Hansen, who was the local baker in town. But could it really be the friendly, local baker who was responsible for all these women going missing? 

References: 

Alex Emslie, “The Butcher Baker”, Mind of a Monster, S1.E5., September 2, 2020.  

Katie Serena, “Robert Hansen: The Alaskan Serial Killer Who Hunted His Victims like Animals”, All That’s Interesting, Nov 24, 2021, https://allthatsinteresting.com/robert-hansen, Accessed April 8, 2024. 

Rachel D’Oro, “Alaska Serial Killer Dies, Decades After Murder”, AP News, August 22, 2014, https://apnews.com/general-news-6afc97f0e93b42668e5cd6a5743feb4b, accessed April 8, 2024. 

Andrea Reiher, “Prosecutor: Serial Killer’s Plea Deal was a ‘Grave Mistake’”, Heavy.com, September 2, 2020, https://heavy.com/entertainment/2020/09/serial-killer-robert-hansen-victims/, accessed April 8, 2024. 

Leland Hale, “Kidnapped: The True Story of Cindy Paulsen”, Lelandhale.com, July 17, 2017, https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/2017/07/17/kidnapped-true-story-cindy-paulson/, accessed April 8, 2024. 

Thomm Quackenbush, “How The Butcher Baker Was Eventually Caught”, Grunge, May 4, 2021, https://www.grunge.com/400018/how-the-butcher-baker-was-eventually-caught/, accessed April 12, 2024.  

Jaclyn Anglis, “The True Story of John Douglas, The FBI Agent Who Profiled History’s Most Notorious Serial Killers”, All That’s Interesting, Jan 12, 2022, https://allthatsinteresting.com/john-douglas, accessed April 13, 2024. 

“Robert Hansen”, Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hansen, accessed April 13, 2024. 

Leland Hale, “Arrest of Robert Hansen: FBI Gets Involved”, LelandHale.com, January 2, 2018, https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/2018/01/02/fbi-gets-involved/, accessed April 13, 2024. 

Mark Thiessen, “DNA Match IDs Alaska Serial Killer’s Victim After 37 Years.”, AP News, Oct 22, 2021, https://apnews.com/article/science-alaska-anchorage-robert-hansen-7c350f1faf38f9c210b1be47ab9746b5 

On November 22, 2013, 18 year old Lukas Strasser-Hird had just come home to Canada from studying abroad for a year. What should have been a fun night catching up with friends at a downtown club took a tragic turn when Lukas was attacked by a group of men. Join us as we discuss what happened to Lukas and the long path to justice his family had to navigate through the Canadian justice system.  

References 

Nancy Hixt, “The Final Homecoming of Lukas Strasser-Hird Part: 1|6", Crime Bear, Global News, Dec 2, 2019. 

Nancy Hixt, “The Final Homecoming of Lukas Strasser-Hird Part 2:7”, Crime Beat, Global News, Dec 16, 2019. 

Bill Kaufmann, "Man Guilty In Swarming Murder Gets Earlier Parole Eligibility", Calgary Herald, Sept 3, 2021. Pg. AS6 

Kevin Martin, “Dad Ordered to pay $100 000 for Son's Flight From Justice”, Calgary Herald, June 23, 2017, https://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/dad-ordered-to-pay-100000-for-sons-flight-from-justice, accessed April 3, 2024. 

Meghan Grant, "Man Who Helped Murdered Flee Country on Forged Passport Pleads Guilty", CBC News, March 2, 2020, https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/marshall-quillian-guilty-nathan-gervais-guilty-flee-passport-1.5482777, accessed April 5, 2024. 

Sarah Rieger, "Canada Spent $550K To Track Down Calgary Murder Suspect Who Fled to Vietnam", CBC News, May 14, 2018, https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-gervais-breach-bail-vietnam-1.4662827, Accessed April 5, 2024. 

Kevin Martin, "Gervais Told Undercover Officer Strasser-Hird wasn't Supposed to Die", Calgary Sun, Jan 21, 2019, https://calgarysun.com/news/crime/gervais-told-undercover-officer-strasser-hird-wasnt-supposed-to-die-trial, accessed April 3, 2024.   

Staff, "1st Degree Murder Conviction Upheld for Calgary Man in Swarming Death", The Canadian Press, June 1, 2020, https://globalnews.ca/news/7012622/calgary-murder-conviction-nighclub-swarming-nathan-gervais-lukas-strasser-hird/, accessed April 4, 2024. 

References 

Josh Clark (Host), Chuck Bryant (Host), “How Alcatraz Worked”, Stuff You Should Know, iHeart, Nov 15, 2011. 

Josh Clark (Host), Chuck Bryant (Host), “How the Escape from Alcatraz Worked”, Stuff You Should Know, iHeart, Sept 1, 2020. 

History.com Editors, "Alcatraz", History.com, Oct 27, 2009, https://www.history.com/topics/crime/alcatraz, accessed April 7, 2024. 

How It Works Team, “Why Was Alcatraz So Hard to Escape From?”, How It Works Daily, Nov 8, 2014, https://www.howitworksdaily.com/why-was-alcatraz-so-hard-to-escape-from/, Accessed April 7, 2024. 

“Great White Sharks In San Francisco Bay”, Shark Stewards, https://sharkstewards.org/white-sharks-in-san-francisco-bay/, accessed April 7, 2024. 

“Alcatraz Escape”, https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/alcatraz-escape , accessed April 2nd 2024. 

Legends of America, “Anglin Brothers- Escaping From Alcatraz”, Kathy Alexander, Updated October 2023, https://www.legendsofamerica.com/anglin-brothers/ , Accessed April 4th 2024 

“Great Escape from Alcatraz” https://www.alcatrazhistory.com/alcesc1.htm 

Accessed April 2nd 2024 

Robert Lewis, “Alcatraz escape of June 1962”, Britannica, Last updated February 22 2024, 

https://www.britannica.com/event/Alcatraz-escape-of-June-1962, Accessed April 6th 2024 

Maria Moore, “55 Years Later, Man Who Escaped Alcatraz Sends This Note”, Historic Talk, https://www.historictalk.com/en/years-sends-note-escaped?ly=native_one , Accessed April 6th 2024 

Carlton Fletcher, “A 1958 Alcatraz prison break’s strange ties to an Alabama bank robbery, prison death”, The Albany Herald, Published June 24th 2020, A 1958 Alcatraz prison break’s strange ties to an Alabama bank robbery, prison death , Accessed April 7th 2024. 

On July 27, 1981, Reve and John Walsh’s worst nightmare was realized when their 6-year-old son, Adam Walsh, was abducted from a Sears department store. Join us as we discuss this heart-breaking story and the positive changes that came as a result of this case.  

References: 

Austin Harvey, "Adam Walsh, the Boy Whose Murder Inspired America's Most Wanted", All That's Interesting, https://allthatsinteresting.com/adam-walsh, accessed March 26, 2024. 

Kathy McCarthy, "Even to Crime-Weary, Adam's Death Hit Hard", The Miami News, Wed Aug 12, 1981, Pg 4A. 

Alice Kelly, "How Jeffery Dahmer Was Linked to the Murder of Adam Walsh, John Walsh's Son", Your Tango, https://www.yourtango.com/news/what-happened-john-walsh-son-adam-walsh-1981-murder, accessed March 26, 2024. 

Deseret News, "Police Misplaced Evidence in Walsh Case, Papers Show", Reuter News Service, https://www.deseret.com/1996/2/18/19225835/police-misplaced-evidence-in-walsh-case-papers-show/, accessed March 26, 2024. 

MSNBC New, "Police: 1981 Killing of Adam Walsh Solved", NBC News, https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna28257294, accessed March 26, 2024. 

Biography, Ottis Toole, https://www.biography.com/crime/ottis-toole, accessed March 26, 2024. 

NBC 6, "40 Years Later, Adam Walsh's Abduction and Murder Not Forgotten in South Florida", NBC Miami, https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/40-years-later-adam-walshs-abduction-and-murder-not-forgotten-in-south-florida/2508053/, accessed March 26, 2024. 

ABC News, Case Closed: Police ID Adam Walsh Killer, ABCNews.com, https://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=6471791&page=1, accessed March 26, 2024. 

Bevan Hurley, “Did Jeffrey Dahmer Kill the son of America’s Most Wanted host John Walsh?”, Independent UK, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/adam-walsh-killer-john-son-jeffrey-dahmer-b2194793.html, Accessed March 27, 2024. 

Matt Bartosik, “Jeffrey Dahmer Could be Connected to Adam Walsh Murder”, NBC Chicago, https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/jeffrey-dahmer-connected-to-adam-walsh-murder/1870184/, Accessed March 27, 2024. 

Brian Myers, “THE CHILLING THEORY THAT LINKS JEFFREY DAHMER TO THE MURDER OF ADAM WALSH”, Grunge, https://www.grunge.com/1034241/the-chilling-theory-that-links-jeffrey-dahmer-to-the-murder-of-adam-walsh/, Accessed March 27, 2024. 

Levesque, R.J.R. (2011). Missing Children Act. In: Levesque, R.J.R. (eds) Encyclopedia of Adolescence. Springer, New York, NY. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-1-4419-1695-2_699, Accessed March 29, 2024. 

Law offices of STIMMEL, “Federal Child Protection Law-The Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act”, STIMMEL & ROESER, https://www.stimmel-law.com/en/articles/federal-child-protection-law-adam-walsh-child-protection-and-safety-act, Accessed March 29, 2024. 

“National Center for Missing & Exploited Children”, End Slavery Now, https://www.endslaverynow.org/national-center-for-missing-exploited-children, Accessed March 29, 2024. 

“Our 2022 Impact”, Missing Kids, https://www.missingkids.org/ourwork/impact, Accessed March 29, 2024. 

Jean Mendoza, “The Untold Truth Of America’s Most Wanted”, Grunge, https://www.grunge.com/769811/the-untold-truth-of-americas-most-wanted/ , Accessed March 29, 2024. 

KC Baker, “John Walsh Returns to TV’s America’s Most Wanted, This Time with Son Callahan: ‘We’re Here to Fight Crime’ (Exclusive)”, People, https://people.com/john-walsh-returns-to-tvs-americas-most-wanted-with-son-callahan-exclusive-8553312, Accessed March 29, 2024. 

References:

References 

Harry Hewland, Tunnel of Hate, Fear Thy Neighbor, Investigation Discovery, April 4, 2006 

Milan Simonich, Could Police Have Prevented Suicide, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Thursday March 27, pg 13 

Jonathan Silver, Slain Pianist Had Passion for Music and Home, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Thursday March 27, 1997, pg 13 

Lawrence Walsh, Life 'All Messed Up', Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Thursday March 27, 1997, pg 1 & 13 

Torsten Ove & Timothy McNully, Police Say Kirk Dug Way Into Hoover's Home, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Thursday March 27, 1997, pg 1 

The Associated Press, Dispute Blamed for Slaying, Suspect's Suicide in Police Van, News Record, North Hills, Pennsylvania  Wednesday March 26, 1997, pg 6 

Michael Fuoco, Land Dispute Turns Tragic, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Wednesday, March 26, 1997, pg 1& 3 

Jan Ackerman, Property Dispute Linked to Deaths, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Wednesday, March 26, 1997, pg 3 

Linda Wilson Fuoco, Chihuahua's Aren't As Sturdy As They Seem, Pittsburgh Post- Gazette, Wednesday, July 8, 1998, pg 95 

Michael Fuoco and Jim McKinnon, Murders Decline in County, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Thursday Jan 1, 1998, pg 9 

Brandon Keat, Hoover Memorial Park Set for June 1 Opening, Trib Live, https://archive.triblive.com/news/hoover-memorial-park-set-for-june-1-opening-2/, accessed March 26, 2024. 

Join us for our first episode of “Never Light Up A Room” Podcast! In our first episode, we explore the various crimes of NFL player Aaron Hernandez, including the murder of Odin Lloyd, and the double homicide of Daniel de Abreu and Safiro Furtado. 

References: 

 https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/29/sports/football/hernandez-and-murder-victim-where-diverse-paths-crossed.html accessed March 8, 2024 

https://web.archive.org/web/20130705213328/http:/www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/06/19/dorchester-man-says-his-nephew-could-possibly-victim-north-attleborough-death-linked-new-england-patriot-aaron-hernandez/DPn9PRh4e9kFF5hDg53HvO/story.html access March 8, 2024. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/true-grace--odin-lloyd-s-mother-forgives-aaron-hernandez-for-murdering-her-son-195158444.html accessed March 13, 2024 

Aaron Hernandez - Wikipedia, accessed March 13, 2024 

https://heavy.com/sports/2020/01/aaron-hernandezs-father-dennis-death/ accessed March 13, 2024 

https://people.com/crime/inside-the-rise-and-fall-of-aaron-hernandez-after-ex-nfl-star-commits-suicide-in-prison/ Accessed March 13, 2024. 

https://www.nfl.com/news/aaron-hernandez-s-nfl-entry-what-did-scouts-know-back-then-0ap2000000326445 accessed March 8, 2024 

https://www.biography.com/athletes/aaron-hernandez accessed March 8, 2024 

https://people.com/crime/aaron-hernandez-found-not-guilty-of-2012-double-murder-as-he-sits-in-prison-on-separate-murder-conviction/ accessed on March 13, 2024. 

Aaron Hernandez’s conviction in murder of Odin Lloyd vacated by judge in Massachusetts – New York Daily News (nydailynews.com), accessed March 13, 2024 

https://allthatsinteresting.com/odin-lloyd accessed March 8, 2024 

 https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/27/us/hernandez-odin-lloyd-profile/index.html accessed on March 8, 2024 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/carlos-ortiz-aaron-hernandez-friend-admits-helping-after-odin-lloyd-murder/ Accessed March 13, 2024.  

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2013/07/09/hernandez-timeline/2504395/ Accessed March 8, 2024. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/aaron-hernandez-guilty-of-first-degree-murder-in-death-of-odin-lloyd/ accessed March 11, 2024. 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/aaron-hernandez-timeline-murders-trials-prison-suicide/1886y82a8bgyx123qxcgg04lb5 Accessed March 11, 2024. 

Geno McDermott, Killer Inside: The Mind of Aaron Hernandez, Netflix, 2020 

https://medicine.iu.edu/expertise/traumatic-brain-injury/what-is-chronic-traumatic-encephalopathy#:~:text=Chronic%20Traumatic%20Encephalopathy%2C%20or%20CTE,concussions%20and%20repetitive%20head%20impacts, Accessed March 12, 2024 

https://globalnews.ca/news/3379948/ex-nfl-star-aaron-hernandez-acquitted-in-2012-double-murder/, Accessed March 12, 2024 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/04/19/aaron-hernandez-death-daniel-de-abreu-father-comments, accessed March 12, 2024. 

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/aaron-hernandez-not-guilty-in-2012-double-homicide/, Accessed March 12, 2024 

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