Dr. Michael Osterholm joins Grounded to talk about why he says these are the most dangerous days for public health that he’s seen in his 50-year career. “We will never forget this. It will be before and after, much like BC/AD in terms of what public health is about,” Osterholm said. We talk about the recent exodus at the CDC, the future of vaccine access in the U.S. and how the art of intimidation is being used against his colleagues. Plus, hear why he says the federal government is sabotaging research and medicine.