What if grief isn’t something you “get over”? And what if healing looks nothing like what you thought it would?
In this deeply honest episode of Normalize The Conversation, Francesca sits down with author and grief advocate Marisa Renée Lee for a compassionate conversation about grief, uncertainty, healing, hope, and how to care for yourself through life’s hardest seasons.
Marisa opens up about navigating long COVID, chronic illness, exhaustion, and what it means to hold onto hope when life feels uncertain. Together, they unpack the emotional weight of grief, the pressure of “shoulds,” and why comparison often keeps us stuck in shame rather than healing.
If you’ve ever wondered:
Why grief still feels heavy years later
How to cope with loss when life changes overnight
Why adulthood feels uncertain or overwhelming
How to stop comparing your healing to everyone else’s
What it actually means to have hope during hard times
…this episode is for you.
Marisa, author of Grief Is Love and Waiting for Dawn, shares a powerful reframe around the five stages of grief, why grief is deeply personal, and how losing someone also means grieving the version of yourself reflected back through that relationship. Francesca vulnerably shares her own experiences with loss, caregiving, and learning to ask for help after years of trying to carry everything alone.
You’ll also hear a meaningful conversation around emotional wellness, caregiver burnout, self-compassion, and why joy and grief can coexist. From navigating uncertainty to learning how to ask for support, this episode offers practical insight and emotional validation for anyone moving through change, loss, or healing.
Whether you’re grieving someone you love, struggling with a major life transition, or simply feeling overwhelmed by uncertainty, this conversation is a reminder that healing doesn’t happen on a timeline and you do not have to go through hard things alone.
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