Rob and Jon kick off this week’s podcast with some amazing Friday night banter: Graphic file formats. We talk about redesigning death, Tate’s brand refresh and look at a new cut of the classic typeface Johnston.

As our nation teeters on the edge of being European, we turn our attention to notebooks: the debate consuming the nation.

Jon’s pie this week is a surprise early Fathers’ Day gift. Rob sets fire to his mouth with a hot one.

This week Rob airs his dirty laundry in the revamped Ikea bag, while Jon curls his lip at Michael Wolff’s archly lupine comments about the new British Steel logo. We then prattle on about knolling and networking.

Rob grapples with a pie that is defined, but ultimately ruined by, a slice of Chorizo while Jon sings from the terraces with a basic steak pie from Tesco.

After a week’s hiatus, which can be painful if not carefully managed, our intrepid presenters are rejoined in dialectic dysfunction.

We jump into a design time machine and take a look at new logos from British Steel and Co-op, as well as rooms frozen in time (or not). The boys then jump back to 175,000 years to a meeting with Neanderthal architects. A lack of decent coffee forces their swift return.

It’s a birthday in some form or another for both our businesses, and so we look forward to what the future brings. Indigestion if Jon’s pies are anything to go by.

This week we are talking about mistakes in design. For once we live up to our name as a diametrically opposed podcast and disagree with each other. Surely shome mishtake?

Jon’s pork pie gets a lot of love. Consumed by pie envy, Rob embarks on a desperate quest across several counties for a rival. He fails.

This week Rob p-p-p-picks up a new edition of Pocket Penguins. It's not the only bird he's picked up this week. We talk 3D soundwaves and discuss the new Instagram logo like we just don't care: We really don't care.

Our book of the month is "Insanely Great" by Steven Levy. We explore the origins of the tool that pays our mortgages, hitch a ride back to 1995 and the story of the birth of the Macintosh.

The pies this week turn out to be boils on the behind of Beelzebub himself. But we still eat them anyway.