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We continue our discussion with artists participating in Indivisible 2020 today with Anna Stump, Erin Yoshi, Ted Meyer, and Kalynn Campbell. In this jam-packed show, the guests address various pertinent social and political issues. We begin by hearing what indivisibility means to everyone, where Anna and Ted, who live in a rural, red part of the country share why they have chosen not to publicly express their political views. Both Erin and Kalynn feel that while indivisibility is possible and has been achieved at times, the current moment is deeply divided. We then talk about the rise of political discourse in popular culture and how the art reflective of this, such as Black Lives Matter murals and poster art, inspires our guests. We could not have a discussion about indivisibility without touching on the election, and we hear everyone’s take on Joe Biden as the candidate, why this election is more about voting against Trump than anything else, and how we might see the positives in the voter suppression tactics. Increasingly, people – particularly Gen Z, as Anna highlights – are becoming aware of the role they play in shaping society and are taking actionable steps to shift the narrative. We also touch on climate change, where the guests share their respective stark realizations they have had about this issue. As the show wraps up, we get a glimpse into the rationale behind the work everyone has submitted to Indivisible 2020. This insightful, powerful conversation left us with a sense of hope that artists have a big role to play in uniting our divided country. Tune in today to hear more!

Key Points From This Episode:

• What indivisible means to Anna and the difficulty she has living in a very red state.
• Why Anna and Ted feel unsafe to express their liberal political views where they live.
• The meaning of indivisibility to Erin and the work she feels needs to be done in this area.
• Moving away from the ‘oppression Olympics’ and seeing the humanity in everyone.
• Kalynn’s understanding of indivisibility and how he thinks we can work towards it.
• The inspiration Kalynn has drawn from the murals that have come from Black Lives Matter.
• Ted’s understanding of the ‘Other’ and its origins as a social construct.
• Why Erin is most inspired by poster art and murals over the recent years.
• Finding hope in troubled times – How Anna and Kalynn are digging deep in the current moment.
• How people who would have preferred Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren as the presidential candidate are choosing to vote.
• Erin’s empathy for people who feel frustrated with the Democratic Party.
• Hear Erin’s take on the Democratic Party’s strategy for choosing a center-right candidate like Biden.
• All the gerrymandering and voter suppression tactics are a sign that things are changing.
• Why Erin feels that hopelessness is a good sign and how it in turn makes her feel hopeful.
• Ted’s feeling at the Republican Party’s hypocrisy undoing the separation of church and state.
• The intersectionality of the social issues we face today.
• Erin’s experience of the orange sky in San Francisco during the wildfires.
• Anna, Ted, Kalynn, and Sourdough’s personal experience of climate change. 
• The hypocrisy of the ruling party given the fact that the military is preparing for climate change.
• Lessons in consuming less that we can take from the pandemic.
• Why Ted doesn’t have much faith in enduring long-term positive change post-pandemic.
• The urgency of climate change and why we all need to make changes now.
• Hear more about Ted, Erin, Anna, and Kalynn’s work they submitted to Indivisible 2020.
• Where to find everyone online and projects the guests have in the pipeline. 

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/anna-stump-erin-yoshi-ted-meyer-kalynn-campbell

We are continuing our discussions with artists participating in the Indivisible 2020 exhibition that Not Real Art is a media partner of, and today’s guest is none other than Linda Vallejo. Linda is a multimedia artist who consolidates a range of influences from a lifetime of travel and study to create work that explores contemporary social, cultural, and political issues. Man One joins Linda in conversation, and these two powerful artists in our community discuss their Latinx identities and the way this has informed their work. They first unpack what indivisibility means to them and share how they both came to realize that they had been brainwashed into the belief that all Americans are united. As people of color, they have lived experience of the palpable division rampant in our society. We discuss the importance of questioning institutions, and Man One shares why he left the Catholic Church, which is difficult in the highly religious Mexican community. After discussing this tension, Linda talks about what being a socio-political artist means to her and why she does not subscribe to the conventional understanding of this type of artistry. Giving us insights into her process, we see that Linda’s work is highly considered and thoughtful. Our conversation also touches on each artist’s respective work, colorism both within the Latinx community and society at large, and what true diversity entails. To hear more from these creative giants, be sure to tune in today!

Key Points From This Episode:

• What attracted Linda to participate in Indivisible 2020.
• The changing recognition of socio-political imagery in the mainstream art world.
• Man One’s desire to be a participating artist in Indivisible 2020 and what indivisibility means to him.
• Unpacking the myth of indivisibility that Americans have been indoctrinated into believing.
• The underrepresentation of the Latinx community in LA, despite their being almost half the city’s population.
• Unskilled versus essential workers: An example of how language can shift meaning greatly.
• Questioning the need to make oaths which Americans do from a young age.
• Man One’s disillusionment with the Catholic church and institutions generally.
• The tension within the Latinx community between religion and political views.
• How religion has been a part of Man One’s family’s life and how it’s shifted during the pandemic.
• Linda’s experience of traveling as a woman of color and what she learned.
• Hear Linda’s expanded understanding of what it means to be a socio-political artist.
• Linda’s Big Boy ‘Muchachote’ work and how it took Man One back to his childhood.
• Learn more about Linda’s work repurposing objects and representing them as Latinx.
• The colorism within the Latinx community and reactions to Linda’s work.
• Unpacking whiteness and fair skin as aspirational and how this can be overcome.
• Man One’s experience of being a dark-skinned Mexican and the perceptions people have of him.
• Why Linda believes that everyone needs to go to college and get a graduate degree, if possible.
• Being Latinx with a college education and the weight that this holds.
• Hierarchies that are built into every structure from families to the workplace.
• Man One’s rationale for using lots of color in his work and how people react to this.
• The link between beauty and wealth and how it has evolved over time.
• Linda’s take on humanity’s thirst for violence and war.
• Diversity is not about getting everyone to think the same; it’s about living together while being different.
• The beauty of embracing differences and learning from people who think differently from you.
• Man One and Linda’s upcoming work.
• Addressing the Sasquatch in Linda’s studio.
• Final words from Linda and Man One.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/linda-vallejo-man-one

In our increasingly polarized society and as the indivisibility we have been promised becomes further from our reality, what role do artists play in interrogating where we are now? The Indivisible 2020 exhibition explores what it means to be indivisible and divided in today’s United States, and Not Real Art is proud to be a media partner. The next few shows will be interviews with participating artists, and today’s guest, Leroy Johnson is a true political artist in every sense of the word. In this episode, Karen Fiorito, artist and curator of Indivisible 2020 joins Sourdough to talk with Leroy. We get to know Leroy, where he shares his understanding of being indivisible and how we have drifted from it. He does not simply believe that unity is about humans, but all earthlings and the exploitative, extractive nature of capitalism has completely shattered our respect for living beings. We also discuss the importance of artists giving their voices to causes rather than creating for entertainment’s sake. As a former Black Panther and Civil Rights activist, Leroy has seen how art can aid social movements, and he shares the disappointment at the lack of civic foundation of a lot of today's art. Despite highlighting some of these shortcomings, Leroy’s message is still one of hope and empowerment as he believes art is the ultimate medium to communicate the truth that capitalism and the powers that be seek to hide. Be sure to tune in today!

Key Points From This Episode:

• The motivation for curating Indivisible 2020, a political art exhibition.
• Some of the artists participating in the show and upcoming guests on the podcast.
• Leroy’s understanding of indivisibility and how he feels artists have been deceived.
• Our human-centric view that is fueled by capitalism.
• Leroy’s disappointment in some artists who hold back from speaking out.
• The permanence of art and how we have lost the cultural value of creative work.
• The choice that artists have to make to truly speak out against the system.
• How Karen and Leroy met, over 20 years ago.
• What excited Karen, as the curator, about including Leroy in the Indivisible show.
• Leroy’s supportive family and growing up in an extremely diverse neighborhood.
• The superficiality of art currently and the lack of historical memory.
• Why artists are not entertainers and should not create only to entertain.
• Why, no matter how bad things get in America, Leroy would never leave.
• Leroy’s take on artist activism in the 60s compared to now.
• The loss of community among artists and the prevalence of individualistic thinking.
• Artists are exploited at every level, from buying materials to the end product.
• Leroy’s take on meditation and the role it plays in his life.
• Why the notion of the common good is becoming increasingly difficult to get behind.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/leroy-johnson

Today we welcome multidisciplinary artist David Schwartz, AKA DVS to talk about his most recent foray into physical art, his memories of working with Prince, and the fruits of never giving up on a creative vision. David is a singer, songwriter, graphic designer, art director, and visual artist, and while he was sleeping in his car after he got out of college he also started hanging out with Prince and ended up collaborating on Daisy Chain. Since his youth days, David has been pursuing a career in graphic design and art direction, with a resume that includes websites for Zoolander 2 and The Office, and album artwork for 2 Chainz, Paris Hilton and a slew of Gucci Mane covers. After a long list of challenges, David recently realized his latest artistic ambition, a 1200 pound sculpture called Rhyme Capsule consisting of a marble hooded figure holding up a cut crystal boombox encapsulating 180 authentic Hip Hop tapes released between 1980-2000. Davis tells us how he got the idea for such an ambitious piece, how the project evolved from an initial concept involving a plinth and lucite embedment, and some of the many struggles he underwent while creating it. David also takes us back to his memories of hanging out with Kip Blackshire and developing a working relationship with Prince, and the lessons about bravery and commitment he learned along the way. Tune in for a fantastic episode.

Key Points From This Episode:

• The hustle of making art and how David lived in his car partially after finishing art school.
• Balancing commercial work and his personal art: An ongoing theme in David’s life.
• David’s love of old school hip hop album covers and how that got him into design.
• How David drew inspiration from LA Art Week, hip hop tapes, and a lucite embedment for his art project, Rhyme Capsule.
• The evolution of Rhyme Capsule and how the planned materials changed while working out how to accomplish it.
• Arriving at embedding hip hop tapes into crystal after many different iterations.
• Calling different people who embed objects into crystal and finally finding somebody in NYC.
• Meticulously designing the sculpture digitally before sending the designs to be cut.
• Trouble around contractors taking creative liberty on the implementation of David’s design.
• The boombox aspect of the sculpture and how David added its coolest features as an afterthought.
• Timelines for cutting the crystal and how David flew to NYC to do the finishing touches.
• How David got the idea to mount the sculpture on a Greek-style marble statue.
• The challenges involved in outsourcing the cutting of the statue and transporting it.
• David’s thinking behind the embedded tapes in the sculpture and how he got the rare ones.
• How Prince might react to David’s sculpture and how he made Dave a better artist.
• How David met Prince and ended up working with him after jamming at a rehearsal.
• Commercializing Rhyme Capsule: Opportunities, pricing, and when to cut friends deals.
• How people have responded to Rhyme Capsule and David’s plans to show it.
• David’s plans to make more versions of Rhyme Capsule and lessons he’ll apply.
• Lessons David learned about the hidden successes in failure through this process.
• The challenges of COVID and the fires, and some hidden blessing in between.
• What is going on with David’s music pursuits and some recent gigs he has played for Prince.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/david-schwartz

Today we speak to Tijera Williams, a painter whose work incorporates collage, self-portraiture, and re-workings of art iconography to form images that are rich and raw while carrying a powerful political message. Tijera is a recipient of the 2020 NRA art grant and it was a pleasure having her on the show to talk about her journey with art, the white supremacist political landscape in America, and how art can play a role in making the playing field more equal. Tijera talks about her experiences in school as a Black woman, self-funding her college education, battling homelessness and unemployment, but hustling in multiple jobs to make ends meet while still finding time to paint. We explore the idea of making political art, Tijera’s frustrations with the political climate in America, how art can engage people and shift mentalities, and how she began to make the transition to making more political work. She talks about balancing her art practice with her job and her health and what the process of making a painting involves. We get into the thinking behind Tijera’s most recent work and she also gives some insight into how her hybrid style developed during a painting assignment in college. Tijera shares about her experiences in a tertiary institution that celebrated a white history of painting, how she discovered Black artists she admired, and what it means to be a Black artist at this point in the history of art. For all this and a whole lot more about the need for change in America and how art can help, be sure to tune in.

Key Points From This Episode:

• Struggles Tijera faced growing up, how she found the NRA grant, and her elation at receiving it.
• Tijera’s tendency to speak her mind and how it plays out in her relationships.
• Perspectives on the current political climate and who to vote for.
• How Tijera transitioned into making aesthetic work that was also political.
• The need to be politicized as artists and the justice that can come from this type of art.
• The way that perception of artists changes when they make the transition to making politicized art.
• Critical thinking, seeing blind spots, and other superpowers around perception artists have.
• Balancing work with art and Tijera’s experiences getting a job at EDD and working there.
• Protests around the killing of Ahmaud Arbery and how this put a spotlight on Black artists like Tijera.
• Getting inspiration from odd jobs and Tijera’s experiences working different ones.
• How Tijera has explored her lineage and this fuels her passion for learning languages.
• Learning a language as a way of accessing empathy for a culture, and feeling authorized to make art about it.
• Tijera’s incorporation of photography and visual conversations with her artist icons into her work.
• What the process of creating a work looks like for Tijera and what her newest work involves.
• Forgetting to eat while making art due to focus and the beauty of time stopping in this way.
• What self-care looks like to Tijera and how art, while being demanding, can also be a form of therapy.
• Tijera’s faith, experiences with religion, and the idea that no religion is superior.
• Perspectives around wanting peace but being willing to fight to stop injustice.
• Protecting yourself by investing your money and education rather than carrying a gun.
• A class project where Tijera made a hybrid painting and how this collage style has evolved in her work.
• Perspectives on the idea that the sudden interest in ‘Black’ art is opportunistic.
• Tijera’s experiences at college in a syllabus and institution that didn’t celebrate Black art.
• How white people can use institutional racism against itself to help protect Black people.
• The danger that Black people are in every day in America and the need for equality.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/tijera-williams

Miki Yokoyama makes ethereal illustrations on 2D and 3D surfaces that explore the profundity of life and allude to the interconnectedness of all beings. She is an NRA 2020 grant recipient and today she joins us on the show to speak about her work and the process that inspires it. For Miki, the idea of all lives beginning, intertwining, and ending in an infinite universe is deeply profound. It is a notion that is beyond words, a force that can only be expressed visually, thus becoming the subject matter behind her art. Miki tells us the story of how this feeling grew inside her until one day she had to let it out, and how her creative process began to evolve after that, beginning with a Sharpie and incorporating color, objects, and life drawing into it as time moved on. We hear about what goes through Miki’s mind when she makes art, and she talks about ‘becoming nothing’, letting her mind roam free, and where the images and symbols that flow through her onto the canvas in that state could come from. We talk about the idea that art is much more than just painting, what music Miki likes to listen to as she works, and other integral parts of her process such as dance. For a profound conversation about using art to channel the life force, be sure to tune in today.

Key Points From This Episode:

• The roots of Miki’s ethereal art and how she channels essences by working from her heart.
• Miki’s process involving drawing and how old she was when she started making art.
• The profound, metaphysical ideas about life and the world that made Miki want to start making art.
• Perceived reality as a reflection of your inner state which is shaped by your environment.
• How art and music can help us clear the feelings we have inside ourselves.
• Miki’s discomfort after incorporating color into her work and how she overcame it.
• The creative tendencies of Miki’s parents and her thoughts on taking after them.
• Art as something bigger than painting and how this idea influences Miki’s process.
• Miki’s subconscious thought process as she paints and how her birthplace influences it.
• How Miki wanted to study art and music and why her parents were reluctant to allow this.
• Miki’s experiences studying English at university, meeting her husband, and why she came to America.
• The language of the heart and how it allows us to communicate beyond language.
• Current projects Miki is involved with; an online art show and a storybook.
• How Miki deals with the commercial side of her art business.
• Miki’s incorporation of fabric and life drawing into her art and how this fits into her view of art.
• Which music inspires Miki the most and what she likes listening to while working.
• The process of Miki moving from making 2D to 3D objects.
• How Miki heard about the NRA grant and how she felt when she got awarded it.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/miki-yokoyama

We know how important art can be in subverting dominant narratives and creating spaces for marginalized communities to speak from. Today's guest, Kiara Machado, is a first-generation Central American-American painter whose work explores the complexity of her identity. As a 2020 NRA Grant winner, Kiara’s work stood out to us as being sophisticated, bold, and captivating. In this episode, which celebrates Kiara, we hear about her creative process and how the anger of always having to defend her identity informs her work. Having grown up in America, she has faced these issues from an early age and channels her frustrations into her work. Through paying homage to Central American women, Kiara celebrates who she is. We also talk about the lack of nuance that's common when people think about Latinx culture. We unpack some of the contributing factors to this homogenization including schooling and algorithms and how they feed into the erasure of groups of people. Along with this, we discuss why art schools need to bring in business education into their curriculums, how Kiara’s family has supported and grown with her through her art career, and why she was drawn to NRA’s mission. Kiara’s unwavering commitment to her practice and to celebrating her identity is truly inspiring, so to hear more, tune in today!

Key Points From This Episode:

• Hear how you can apply for the 2021 NRA Grant – It’s free!
• Kiara’s productivity during this time, and how having a home studio has helped her stay focused.
• The importance of using this time to reflect and ensure we’re contributing to history positively.
• How powerful social media is in mobilizing people and contributing to change.
• Kiara’s identity as Central American and how this influences the work she makes.
• The role of spirituality in Kiara’s life, and the spiritual nature of the botanicals in her work.
• Why Kiara is drawn to painting women and representing a range of women in her work.
• Factors that contribute to the homogenous representation and understanding of Latinx culture.
• The supportive role that Kiara’s family has played in her career as an artist.
• The pressure Kiara put in herself for not pursuing a ‘conventional career.’
• Showing up every day and not waiting for inspiration to strike.
• Why Kiara believes that the business side of art should be taught at art schools.
• Kiara’s process of applying for grants and the challenges she has faced with this.
• How Kiara finds community and the importance of safe spaces for her.
• NRA Grant’s role in bringing artists together and how Kiara felt receiving it.
• What Kiara is working on at the moment, and where she’ll be showing work.
• What the phrase, ‘Not Real Art’ means to Kiara. 

See Kiara's artwork, learn more and hear the entire episode here: https://notrealart.com/kiara-machado

Paloma Montoya’s work draws visual inspiration from classic cartoons, using her character Lola to play with teen internet culture in a way that is dark but funny too. She was a recipient of the 2020 NRA grant and joins us on the show today to talk about what her work is all about and how she handles the different sides of being an artist. We kick things off with Lola talking about some of her recent projects, making art during the lockdown, and how she copes with the challenges of networking at real-life art events. From there we get to hear more about where the fierce and satirical imagery Paloma makes comes from. Paloma shares about how she came up with Lola from the word ‘LOL’, and draws different grotesquely funny versions of her along with other language abbreviations from online culture. Along with all this, we speak to Paloma about staying true to her childhood dream amongst the pressures of corporate America, the challenges posed by the business side of being an artist, and how best to approach being disciplined about art-making to keep inspiration and sincerity levels as high as possible. Wrapping up for the day, we get into ideas around self-care in a capitalist world that values constant production, and what being a part of the Not Real Art team means for Paloma’s practice and for sticking the middle finger up to all the high art snobs out there!

Key Points From This Episode:

• A reminder to vote; voting for Biden even if you do not like him as a vote against Trump.
• What Paloma was doing when she found out she was a recipient of the NRA grant.
• How Paloma’s work has been affected by the lockdowns; productivity, commissions, and events.
• The last corporate job Paloma did for Converse to celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month.
• Paloma’s feelings toward Instagram as a social media platform and marketing tool.
• Anxiety around IRL art networking and whether Paloma is that affected by this.
• Paloma’s perspectives on her art and how it contains a tension between darkness and satire.
• What inspired Paloma’s character Lola and her different iterations and messages.
• Paloma’s journey trying to stay committed to art amongst pressures to get a real job.
• Art as a transcendental and therapeutic experience for Paloma.
• Challenges presented by the business side of art and how Paloma copes with them.
• Keeping inspiration up; how Paloma keeps up with managing routines of creating work.
• The value of self-care which challenges the capitalist idea of constant production.
• Believing in gods versus in the power of oneself; Paloma’s thoughts on spirituality.
• Where Paloma heard about the NRA grant and her thoughts on its name.
• The snobbishness of ‘high art’ and how the ‘Not Real Art’ name critiques it.
• Where to find Paloma’s work online to learn more about what she does.
• What Paloma is busy with right now and some new projects on the horizon for her.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com//paloma-montoya

Art can be an incredibly powerful tool in giving overlooked and marginalized communities spaces to speak and share their stories. Today's guest, Jacqueline Valenzuela, is a painter whose work is centered around her experience in the Chicano world of lowriding. She conveys the stories of women in the space who own their own cars, and who, despite facing tremendous odds, are rising up in the male-dominated lowriding world. As a 2020, NRA Grant Recipient, Jacqueline’s work stood out to us for being fresh, and a voice worth listening to. In this episode, Jacqueline talks about the lowrider car culture that informs so much of what she creates. She shares how she got her start in the space, details about her car, La Playgirl, and how she grew to appreciate it as an art form. Jacqueline points out that there have always been women lowriders, but they do not get the recognition they deserve. This is why she wants to tell these women’s stories, and we hear more about her creative process, which extends far beyond simply putting her brush to canvas. She interviews her subjects and does extensive research so that people see themselves reflected in her work. Along with this, we also discuss the supportive role her parents have played in her life, which drew her to NRA, and the importance of putting time into the business side of your art hustle. To hear more from this positive, passionate artist, be sure to tune in today!

Key Points From This Episode:

• Don't waste time, and register to vote for this historic election.
• The lowrider podcast that Jacqueline is a fan of.
• Hear more about Jacqueline’s passion for lowriding culture and what she’s learned from it.
• What Jacqueline enjoys most about working on her car.
• There have been and are more women in the lowrider scene than most people realize.
• Some of the lowrider women that Jacqueline pays homage to in her art.
• Hear a bit of the origin story of the lowriding culture.
• The role that storytelling plays in Jacqueline’s art and how she gets people to connect with her work.
• How Jacqueline’s immigrant parents have supported her art career.
• Hear more about Jacqueline’s parents’ background and where they’re from in Mexico.
• How Jacqueline and her family are dealing with the pandemic and how her productivity is holding up.
• Details about Jacqueline’s solo show and the biggest painting she recently sold.
• Jacqueline’s approach to her work and where she got her strong work ethic from.
• How Jacqueline found out about the NRA Grant.
• Jacqueline’s take on politics and what’s happening in the space now.
• Not Real Art’s dedication to celebrating artists that are often overlooked. 

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We are back from our summer hiatus, excited about what the fall has in store. So much has happened this year, and our shows are going to reflect this because artists have an important role in getting messages out there. We do not want to be tone-deaf, so we will not be shying away from issues like politics and Black Lives Matter. We share what we have been working on during our break, including our artist education program and our membership offering. While Man One is out on assignment, Sourdough is holding down the fort and welcomes 2020 NRA Grant Recipient, photographer, Gershon Kreimer, today. With an educational background in film, Gershon transitioned to photography, where his sculptural, layered photographs have gained recognition and acclaim. We discuss the nature of his work, and why he is driven by making his photographs as universal as possible. He shares some of the breakthrough moments that have enabled him to find his voice. Growing up in Lima, Peru shaped who Gershon is, and we hear more about his appreciation of democracy and justice. The pandemic has affected everyone considerably, and Gershon talks about how he's taken the time to revisit old work. Along with this, we explore the struggles of the art business and some of the difficult lessons Gershon has learned, his mental health challenges, and ways he stays grounded, and his schooling in Peru. We round off the conversation with both Gershon and Sourdough making a call for everyone to participate in this election and vote out the powers that be. As likely the most important election of most of our lifetimes, we cannot afford to idly sit by. So, educate yourself, make sure you register and get those votes in!

Key Points From This Episode:

• Hear more about some of the latest offerings from Not Real Art.
• This is the most consequential election in our history, so register in time to vote!
• The story of how Gershon’s family ended up in Peru and his experience growing up in Lima.
• Why Gershon has aimed to make his work as neutral and transcendental as possible.
• Gershon’s journey of finding universality in his work and his breakthrough moment.
• How Gershon approaches directing his models and how he gets the desired reaction.
• What Gershon means when he says he ‘tries to avoid photography.’
• How the pandemic has affected Gershon’s creative process.
• Gershon’s experience with one of his teachers, Boris Frumin.
• Some of the hard lessons Gershon has learned about the business side of art.
• How Gershon tackles the business-related tasks of being an artist.
• Gershon’s model recruitment process and how he uses Instagram to find people.
• Hear more about Gershon’s struggles with depression and anxiety and his self-care rituals.
• Gershon’s schooling experience and why he hated his school.
• How to find Gershon online, and why he’s become so politically outspoken on his Instagram.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/gershon-kreimer