Zach and Brandon set the record straight and dig deeper into what really bears fruit.

The hosts unpack the idea that all of Scripture—from Moses to Paul to the Gospels—is inspired by the Holy Spirit, and no part should be elevated over another. It’s not about red letters or black letters; it’s all God’s Word.

But this episode isn’t just about clarifying a misunderstanding—it’s about shifting the conversation entirely. Zach and Brandon challenge the tribalism in the Church today, where honest disagreement is often met with personal attacks and cancelation. Have we lost our ability to have authentic, grace-filled conversations?

They explore the temptation to rely on systems, theology, and frameworks as substitutes for real relationship with Christ. While helpful, these constructs can easily become distractions if they’re not rooted in the living presence of Jesus and the leading of the Spirit.

Throughout the conversation, the hosts return again and again to the image of the mustard seed, the wheat, and the scorched earth—reminding us that the Kingdom of God is not something we build or strategize into existence. It’s something God is already doing. We are simply invited in. Our job? Plant. Water. Tend. But God alone gives the growth.

They ask, what kind of soil is Christ calling us to be? Sometimes, it’s scorched earth where all of our striving ends—but it’s there the holy seed remains. It's not about what we can build for God, but about yielding to what He is building in us.

As they share personal stories of how their own church emerged from devastation—literally from the rubble of a hurricane—Zach and Brandon testify that obedience, not strategy, led to unexpected fruit. In the Kingdom, the way forward is not strength but surrender. Not control, but trust.

💬 “Unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains alone.” (John 12)
🌱 The call is not just to get your theology right—it’s to die to yourself.
Because on the other side of that surrender? Life. Real fruit. The Kingdom.

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Dive deep as the crew unpacks the significance of truly hearing and responding to God’s Word, the importance of disrupting the soil of our hearts, and the transformative power of faith. In this thought-provoking episode of the Not Yet Now podcast, hosts Zach and Jill Dasher, alongside Brandon, engage in a lively discussion about the parallels between Isaiah 6 and the Parable of the Sower from Mark 4.

Why did Jesus choose to speak in parables? Why not just lay it all out clearly? Join the trio of Zach and Jill Dasher, along with Brandon Hudson, as they explore the stickiness of stories and how they shape our understanding of the world around us. Jesus’ parables invite us into a deeper relationship with Him—one that transcends mere knowledge.

We’ll discuss the importance of heart posture in receiving God’s message, the significance of being the right kind of soil, and how humility unlocks the secrets of His kingdom. Discover how God isn’t arbitrarily excluding people from His grace but rather inviting us into a heartfelt love relationship.

We'll also unpack how the promise of God finds fulfillment in the seed of Jesus Christ and explore the open secret of the kingdom: “Christ in you, the hope of glory.” Tune in to learn how leaning in with an open heart can transform our lives and help us bear the fruit of love, joy, and peace.

Let’s embark on this journey together, seeking the heart of the matter and uncovering the richness of Jesus’ teachings!

Are you dating, considering dating, or parenting someone through dating? This raw and heartfelt episode features Zach and Jill, along with their son Max Dasher and his girlfriend Annabelle, and is definitely worth a listen.

Zach and Jill discuss the beauty of marriage and God's design behind it as they unpack the reasons for delaying physical intimacy until you are in a covenant. Jill opens up about a past relationship and the tough decision she had to make, which led her into a season of loneliness.

This conversation is anything but surface-level. From Zach’s attempts to deter the two from dating to Max’s confession that he wished they had listened to his father’s advice, this episode is filled with real-life, applicable wisdom from a Christian perspective.

From broken-down cars and cell phones to kicked-down doors and family disagreements, this episode has it all. It’s often said that the best conversations begin with confession, and that’s precisely how this episode on marriage unfolds. The night before this recording, the Dasher family experienced a disagreement that adds a little extra color to this flavorful and enriching discussion, filled with topics such as: How do you know they’re the one? Do you need the perfect “setup” to get married? What does it mean to be known? Comparison, and what happens when the honeymoon phase is over.

Tune in as two young newlyweds discuss the joys and challenges of merging different family dynamics while learning to “leave and cleave.” Zach and Jill share crucial lessons they have learned through their mistakes and attempts to “pretend their way” through marriage.

If you’re looking for an honest conversation from two married couples who don’t claim to be experts but are simply pursuing the heart of God through the power of the Holy Spirit, then you won’t want to miss this episode. The fig leaves are coming off in this challenging yet truth-filled discussion, encouraging us to reach a greater level of knowing our spouse.

“What if I’ve blasphemed the Holy Spirit?” It’s a question that lingers in the minds of many believers—and honestly, it’s one we’ve heard more than a few times. It’s a question I have asked myself before. In this episode of Not Yet Now, Jill, Brandon, and I sit down to unpack this often misunderstood and deeply sobering topic.

We dig into what it actually means to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, why this sin is treated differently in Scripture, and how the Holy Spirit’s role is to guide us into truth, reveal the heart of God, and continually call us to repentance. But when that voice is rejected—when God’s revelation is persistently denied—the consequences are eternal.

Throughout the conversation, we explore the importance of community in keeping our faith anchored. Our identity as believers isn’t just personal; it’s communal. We were never meant to walk this road alone, and when it comes to discerning truth, fighting spiritual apathy, and turning back to God, the support of a Christ-centered community is essential.

We also talk about the seriousness of sin and the danger of a heart that becomes hardened over time. A healthy fear of God is actually good for us; it keeps us spiritually alert and dependent on grace. But here’s the good news we keep coming back to: repentance is always available to those who seek it. The fact that you’re concerned about blaspheming the Spirit may be the very sign that your heart is still soft enough to respond.

Ultimately, we land where we always do—at the cross. Christ’s sacrifice is enough. No matter your past, no matter your questions, He is sufficient. So if this has been weighing on you, don’t carry it alone. Join the conversation, and let’s walk through it together.

Will you join the kingdom or stand against it? In this episode, we dive deep into a riveting confrontation in Mark 3, where Jesus boldly transitions from speaking truth to entering the fray. The simple act of healing a withered hand reveals profound truths about power, compassion, and community.

The Pharisees were not seeking truth; they were ready to accuse, embodying a spirit of suspicion that still breeds division today. This episode unpacks the polarizing relationship between the Pharisees and the Herodians, who found unity not in truth, but in enmity toward Jesus. Their anger over the healing stemmed from a fear of losing control.

Jesus, however, remains steadfast in his mission, moving with compassion and clarity. When they go low, he dives even deeper—into purpose, love, and the essence of life. The kingdom is not just about avoiding death; it invites us into unity under Christ.

Jill shares an eye-opening excerpt from her book, Shallow, highlighting the dangers of slander that poison the body. We discuss how Jesus redefines the Sabbath—not as a rule to break, but as an original intent to restore. His choice of twelve disciples isn't random; it's a reconstruction of Israel’s foundation, building a new temple that includes all of us.

This conversation will challenge how you view conflict, control, compassion, and the movement of God. It doesn’t need a strategy—just willing hearts to follow the King.

Why does rest feel so wrong? In a culture that idolizes hustle and busyness, the idea of Sabbath can feel almost rebellious. But Jesus said something stunning: “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.” What if rest wasn’t a command to obey but a gift to receive?
In this episode, Zach and Jill Dasher are joined by Brandon to unpack the deep spiritual roots of Sabbath—from Eden’s stillness to Jesus’ fierce defense of rest. Together, they peel back the layers of guilt, performance, and fear that keep us from ceasing.
You’ll hear:
    •    Why true Sabbath exposes us more than it soothes us.
    •    How we use busyness like fig leaves to cover our fear and shame.
    •    The danger of turning rest into another box to check—or a spiritual competition.
    •    What it means to “get rid” instead of “get right” before God.
    •    Why Sabbath is a mirror into our identity—and a doorway into real freedom.

This isn’t just a call to slow down. It’s a call to come home. To take off your sandals. To drop the comparisons. To be with God unguarded, unhurried, and unmeasured.

This is Sabbath as invitation, not obligation. A gift from the One who is never in a hurry and never in doubt. “You don’t get right to come near to God—you get rid.”  Join us as we rethink rest in a restless world. Not Yet Now Episode 33 will change the way you see your calendar—and your soul.

When a man of God like Phil Robertson finishes his race, the ripple effects can’t be measured in headlines — they’re found in legacy. In this special episode of Not Yet Now, Zach and Jill reflect on the life and passing of Zach’s Uncle Phil: a patriarch whose quiet obedience to King Jesus bore fruit across generations.

At a time when our culture dismisses the value of fathers, mothers, and generational wisdom, we pause to honor a man who defied that trend — not with power, but with steadfast love and truth. Phil’s life was rooted in the Genesis mandate to be fruitful and multiply, not just biologically, but spiritually — raising up sons, daughters, and disciples anchored in the Kingdom.

We talk about what it means to live slow in a microwave culture, to let wisdom ferment with time, and why the death of a faithful elder might just be one of the most countercultural moments we can celebrate. This is a call to remember. A call to honor. A call to live for something that outlives us.

"How do you start a house church?” It's one of the most honest—and loaded—questions we’ve been asked. In this episode of Not Yet Now, we open the door to a vulnerable, Spirit-led conversation about the church outside the institution. Through stories of hurt and healing, we wrestle with the tensions between tradition and authenticity, programs and presence, leadership and love. We explore what it means to gather in the name of Jesus, not around discontent, but around communion and community. If you’ve been burned, bored, or just burdened by church-as-usual, this episode invites you into something smaller, slower, and maybe more sacred.