Will you join the kingdom or stand against it? In this episode, we dive deep into a riveting confrontation in Mark 3, where Jesus boldly transitions from speaking truth to entering the fray. The simple act of healing a withered hand reveals profound truths about power, compassion, and community.

The Pharisees were not seeking truth; they were ready to accuse, embodying a spirit of suspicion that still breeds division today. This episode unpacks the polarizing relationship between the Pharisees and the Herodians, who found unity not in truth, but in enmity toward Jesus. Their anger over the healing stemmed from a fear of losing control.

Jesus, however, remains steadfast in his mission, moving with compassion and clarity. When they go low, he dives even deeper—into purpose, love, and the essence of life. The kingdom is not just about avoiding death; it invites us into unity under Christ.

Jill shares an eye-opening excerpt from her book, Shallow, highlighting the dangers of slander that poison the body. We discuss how Jesus redefines the Sabbath—not as a rule to break, but as an original intent to restore. His choice of twelve disciples isn't random; it's a reconstruction of Israel’s foundation, building a new temple that includes all of us.

This conversation will challenge how you view conflict, control, compassion, and the movement of God. It doesn’t need a strategy—just willing hearts to follow the King.

Why does rest feel so wrong? In a culture that idolizes hustle and busyness, the idea of Sabbath can feel almost rebellious. But Jesus said something stunning: “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.” What if rest wasn’t a command to obey but a gift to receive?
In this episode, Zach and Jill Dasher are joined by Brandon to unpack the deep spiritual roots of Sabbath—from Eden’s stillness to Jesus’ fierce defense of rest. Together, they peel back the layers of guilt, performance, and fear that keep us from ceasing.
You’ll hear:
    •    Why true Sabbath exposes us more than it soothes us.
    •    How we use busyness like fig leaves to cover our fear and shame.
    •    The danger of turning rest into another box to check—or a spiritual competition.
    •    What it means to “get rid” instead of “get right” before God.
    •    Why Sabbath is a mirror into our identity—and a doorway into real freedom.

This isn’t just a call to slow down. It’s a call to come home. To take off your sandals. To drop the comparisons. To be with God unguarded, unhurried, and unmeasured.

This is Sabbath as invitation, not obligation. A gift from the One who is never in a hurry and never in doubt. “You don’t get right to come near to God—you get rid.”  Join us as we rethink rest in a restless world. Not Yet Now Episode 33 will change the way you see your calendar—and your soul.

When a man of God like Phil Robertson finishes his race, the ripple effects can’t be measured in headlines — they’re found in legacy. In this special episode of Not Yet Now, Zach and Jill reflect on the life and passing of Zach’s Uncle Phil: a patriarch whose quiet obedience to King Jesus bore fruit across generations.

At a time when our culture dismisses the value of fathers, mothers, and generational wisdom, we pause to honor a man who defied that trend — not with power, but with steadfast love and truth. Phil’s life was rooted in the Genesis mandate to be fruitful and multiply, not just biologically, but spiritually — raising up sons, daughters, and disciples anchored in the Kingdom.

We talk about what it means to live slow in a microwave culture, to let wisdom ferment with time, and why the death of a faithful elder might just be one of the most countercultural moments we can celebrate. This is a call to remember. A call to honor. A call to live for something that outlives us.

"How do you start a house church?” It's one of the most honest—and loaded—questions we’ve been asked. In this episode of Not Yet Now, we open the door to a vulnerable, Spirit-led conversation about the church outside the institution. Through stories of hurt and healing, we wrestle with the tensions between tradition and authenticity, programs and presence, leadership and love. We explore what it means to gather in the name of Jesus, not around discontent, but around communion and community. If you’ve been burned, bored, or just burdened by church-as-usual, this episode invites you into something smaller, slower, and maybe more sacred.

Zach and Jill pull an all nighter and are reminded of their college ministry days after their kids host a worship night at their house. This leads to discussing the importance of intentional gatherings, and Brandon shares a story of God’s perfect timing involving a young man’s motorcycle trip from California to North Carolina.

Getting into the scripture, they reflect on the role of the Pharisees in the context of Jesus' teachings, particularly regarding fasting and spiritual practices.

The episode concludes with insights on the dynamics of church growth and the criticisms that often accompany it. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the abundant love of God, the importance of a growing relationship with Christ, and the call to embrace the newness of life in Him.

Jesus didn’t come for the healthy—but for the sick. If you’ve ever felt like you’re not enough, too far gone, or just quietly restless inside, this episode is for you.

We explore the story of Levi the tax collector, a man who traded integrity for status and ended up empty—until Jesus showed up. His calling reveals something powerful: your deepest longing isn’t a flaw. It’s a signpost. A sacred echo. A hunger that only the kingdom of God can satisfy.

This episode begins with a rite of passage trip to England for a young man named Lucas, leading into a conversation on manhood, identity, and how the gospel has shaped world history through broken people transformed by grace. We unpack how Jesus’ mercy overrides religious performance, how Levi’s response reflects the longing in all of us, and why the kingdom of heaven is already breaking into the ordinary moments of life.

Zach and Jill know what getting punched in the gut feels like. They kick things off by sharing a personal story — the kind that leaves you asking, what now? Sometimes the roof caves in (literally or figuratively), and it forces you to reckon with where real healing and connection are found.

We dive into why spiritual authenticity matters when the storms come, and why true ministry happens far beyond the walls of a church — it happens in homes, over meals, through honest friendships, and right in the middle of life's chaos.

As we walk through Mark’s account of the paralytic and the ripped-off roof, we unpack the profound moment when Jesus calls Himself the Son of Man — and claims the authority not just to heal broken bodies but to forgive sins. It’s a reminder that healing isn’t just physical; it’s a soul-deep restoration only Christ can offer.

We also talk about how easy it is to chase fulfillment in the wrong places, how divine disruption can open the door to faith, and how staying close to Jesus transforms everything — our healing, our identity, and our sense of purpose.

If you’re feeling the weight of unmet expectations or longing for something more authentic, this conversation is for you. There’s healing, there’s forgiveness, and there’s real life to be found — right at the feet of Jesus.

In this episode:

Mark 2 verses 1-12

Daniel 7 verses 13-14

What happens to our souls in a world increasingly run by artificial intelligence? In this episode of Not Yet Now, we’re diving headfirst into that question. I sit down with the crew to wrestle with what it means to grow, learn, and serve in a digital age that often values efficiency over authenticity. We unpack how easy it is to outsource not just our tasks, but our humanity—and why that should concern us.

But this isn’t just a conversation about machines and algorithms. We go deeper—into the heart of Jesus’ ministry. In a culture obsessed with power, position, and influence, Jesus flips the script. He doesn't climb the ladder. He kneels. He touches the untouchable. We reflect on the biblical stories of the sick, the isolated, and the forgotten—those living at the fringes—and what it meant for Jesus to step into their world, not with a program or policy, but with compassion and presence.

We also get raw about the real challenges of ministry—the weariness, the loneliness, and the temptation to perform rather than abide. But in that space, we rediscover the beauty of humility and the radical call to be the hands and feet of Christ in a world that’s hurting. This conversation is an invitation to slow down, press in, and remember: Jesus came not just to heal, but to restore our connection with God and with one another.

In this episode, the hosts reflect on the growth and evolution of the Not Yet Now podcast, emphasizing how community interaction has deepened the conversation around faith and spiritual renewal. Diving into Mark’s Gospel, the conversation unpacks Jesus’ unique and transformative authority—distinct from religious leaders—revealing His power over the cosmic battle between good and evil. The hosts explore spiritual warfare, the tangible reality of evil, and how fear can overwhelm us when confronted with darkness. Yet, they point decisively to Christ's ultimate authority and victory.

They further discuss how anchoring our identity in Christ provides clarity and strength in struggles with mental health, anxiety, and despair. Ultimately, the episode underscores the role of the church in responding to the Holy Spirit, who initiates revival, and equipping believers to live confidently in Christ’s authority—reminding listeners that the same power that raised Christ from the dead is actively at work within us today.

Zach and Jill are looking to re-do their premarital counseling after a spirited debate over the Final Four. It's an entertaining start as Jill draws attention to Zach’s eventful week, which also includes a tiff with his co-host, Brandon.

The trio dives into the Gospel of Mark, exploring the profound moment when Jesus calls His disciples. They leave everything behind to follow Him, but do they truly understand what they’re getting into? And do we grasp what it means to follow Jesus in our own lives?

This episode delves into the true meaning of "following," which has become a reductive term in 2025. To genuinely follow is to know deeply, to be close behind, and to chase after. Jesus is inviting us into a life not defined by works but by grace—a life where we come to know Him and His love so profoundly that it shapes every aspect of our lives. In a merit-based world where we’re constantly compared and judged by our accomplishments, it’s challenging to shed that mentality as we walk with Christ.

Through personal anecdotes and theological insights, Zach, Jill, and Brandon uncover the burdens of a works-based faith and the refreshing freedom found in embracing God’s grace. Responding to His call not only brings about transformation within ourselves but also integrates us into a loving community—a community that Jesus builds within us as we embrace our role as “fishers of men.”

Tune in for a compelling discussion on grace, discipleship, and the abundant life Jesus invites us all to experience!

In this episode:

Mark 1 verses 16-20

2 Timothy 2 verse 1