Nate and Benjamin have a quick chat on the news of the day covering passover seder, the stunning David Hammons show at The Drawing Center, how Frieze is trying to stage a safe in-person art fair in New York next month and Nate's profile of market phenom Robert Nava.

In the second half we are joined by the artist and gallerist Joel Mesler who--hot on the heels of his sold out exhibition at David Kordansky Gallery in Los Angeles--breaks down his personal and artistic history. We cover his wayward youth in Los Angeles, his college years and (brief) move to Israel, graduate school in San Francisco, his place at the center of the all important Chinatown (LA) art scene of the early aughts, his gallery move to New York and later East Hampton and how he pivoted to becoming a fulltime (and highly in-demand) artist.  You won't want to miss this legendary recontour and his insightful take on what his long and varied journey has taught him about the contemporary art world and life in general.