Ben and Matt Ginsberg-Jaeckle take the deep dive on a week’s worth of immigration news. Or more like 40 years worth of immigration news. Cause if you really want to understand what’s going on at any moment in time you have to take some time to understand how that moment came to be. And so we talk foreign policy, national politics, Chicago cluelessness, MAGA hate and Democratic cowardice. And then just when things look hopeless, a little football. Matt is political activist.

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