Old Timey Crimey

A tale as old as time, but not in a good way. 

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Sources:

Chuck D’Imperio. NYupstate.com. https://www.newyorkupstate.com/adirondacks/2016/04/grace_brown_murder_big_moose_inn_adirondacks_ny_chester_gillette.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Dreiser, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortland,_New_York

https://www.adirondack.net/history/grace-brown/

Kate Welshofer. https://www.katewelshofer.com/love-relationships/old-murder-modern-love-lessons-learned-from-the-original-cool-girl/

Jessica Ryen Doyle. Utica Observer-Dispatch. https://www.uticaod.com/article/20080113/news/301139940

Syracuse Herald.

New York Tribune via LOC.

NY Sun, Press and Sun-Bulletin, Buffalo Enquirer, Brooklyn Citizen via Newspapers.com https://www.newspapers.com/image/164182508/?terms=%22grace%20brown%22&match=1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Grace_Brown

https://heathermonroe.medium.com/the-tragic-death-of-grace-brown-da714f6c2a30

https://murderpedia.org/male.G/g/gillette-chester.htm

https://www.adirondackexperience.com/blog/2014/10/adirondack-ghost-story

https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2021/03/a-murder-a-haunting-and-the-mysterious-death-of-grace-brown/

Music: 

Evil Plan by Kevin MacLeod 

Breaktime by Kevin MacLeod 

A series of murders that terrorized a tribe--all because of oil and greed. 

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Sources 

Fresh Air on NPR. https://www.npr.org/2018/04/06/600136534/largely-forgotten-osage-murders-reveal-a-conspiracy-against-wealthy-native-ameri 

Jon D. May. Oklahoma Historical Society. https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entry=OS005 

Corey Bone. Oklahoma Historical Society. https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entryname=OSAGE%20OIL 

David Grann. The New Yorker. https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-marked-woman 

Osage Journal, Fort Worth Record-Telegram, Tulsa World/Pawnee Courier-Dispatch via Newspapers.com https://www.newspapers.com/image/666472927/?terms=osage%20indian%20oil&match=1 

FBI.gov. https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/murder-and-mayhem-in-the-osage-hills 

Osage Indian Murders Vault. https://vault.fbi.gov/Osage%20Indian%20Murders/Osage%20Indian%20Murders%20Part%206%20of%2065/view 

The Osage Nation. https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/news-events/news/did-you-know-osage-murders 

Christopher Klein. History.com. https://www.history.com/news/the-fbis-first-big-case-the-osage-murders 

Douglas O. Linder. Famous Trials.com https://www.famous-trials.com/osage-home/2378-the-osage-reign-of-terror-murder-trials-an-account 

https://allthatsinteresting.com/osage-indian-murders

https://www.history.com/news/the-fbis-first-big-case-the-osage-murders

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osage_Indian_murders

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/the-forgotten-murders-of-the-osage-people-for-the-oil-beneath-their-land

https://murderpedia.org/male.H/h/hale-william.htm

Music:  

Evil Plan by Kevin MacLeod 

Breaktime by Kevin MacLeod 

Onion Capers by Kevin MacLeod 

Kristy interviews true crime filmmaker John Borowski, creator of films on HH Holmes, Albert Fish, and Carl Panzram. We talk about past projects, his current project on John Wayne Gacy, and the true crime community.  

Many thanks to John Borowski for a phenomenal interview and to Brian & Lauren over at Trans-Atlantic History Ramblings for putting us in touch!

John Borowski: http://johnborowski.com/

Store: https://store.johnborowski.com/

Films & TV:

H.H. Holmes: America’s First Serial Killer:  https://www.amazon.com/H-H-Holmes-Americas-Serial-Killer/dp/B001PTCROW

Albert Fish: https://www.amazon.com/Albert-Fish-John-Borowski/dp/B001PVG4VC

Carl Panzram: The Spirit of Hatred and Vengeance: https://www.amazon.com/Carl-Panzram-Spirit-Hatred-Vengeance/dp/B00B97LDX6/ref=tmm_aiv_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

The John Wayne Gacy Murders: https://www.facebook.com/The-John-Wayne-Gacy-Murders-A-John-Borowski-Film-381492619382714

Bloodlines: https://bloodlinesdocumentary.com/

Serial Killer Culture: https://www.amazon.com/Serial-Killer-Culture-Joe-Coleman/dp/B00IMQOYJW

Serial Killer Culture TV S1 & 2

Books:

The Strange Case of Dr HH Holmes

Albert Fish: In His Own Words

The Ed Gein File

Dahmer's Confession

Social Media:

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/johnborowskiart/

Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/filmmakerjohnb

Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/johnborowski

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Kristy, Amber, and Scott talk about the strange tale of Roland Molineuxm, chemist, gymnast, and feeble snob. 

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Sources:

Harold Schecter. “The Devil’s Gentleman: Privilege, Poison, and the Trial that Ushered in the Twentieth Century.”

LA Herald, New York Trbune, Virginian-Pilot via LOC https://guides.loc.gov/chronicling-america-roland-molineux/selected-articles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromo-Seltzer; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Molineux

Brooklyn Daily Eagle via LOC https://www.newspapers.com/image/50342932/?terms=Eleanor%20Kindberg%20divorce&match=1

Nathan Ward. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB119387540635078407

Tom Miller. Daytonian in Manhattan. http://daytoninmanhattan.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-lost-manhattan-athletic-club.html

https://www.encyclopedia.com/law/law-magazines/roland-molineux-trials-1899

https://jimfisher.edinboro.edu/forensics/mol1.html

https://www.chemistryworld.com/opinion/the-knickerbocker-murders/3009755.article

https://malefactorsregister.com/wp/unpleasantness-at-the-knickerbocker-club/

https://www.librarything.com/character/Blanche+Molineux+Scott,+nee+Chesebrough

https://www.nycourts.gov/reporter/archives/p_molineux.htm

https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5914aac8add7b04934729615

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/29/800938076/how-the-molineux-rule-permits-certain-witnesses-in-the-harvey-weinstein-trial

Music:

Evil Plan by Kevin MacLeod

Breaktime by Kevin MacLeod

Onion Capers by Kevin MacLeod

Scott, Amber, and Kristy sit down for a chat with Brian and Lauren of Transatlantic History Ramblings. This time, the interviewers become the interviewees! We ask Lauren about medieval prions, we ask Brian about Jack the Ripper, and we all talk about strange encounters with nuns and the difficulty of finding the truth in history. 

The Man Eater of Colorado chews his way through his companions. Was it murder--or survival? 

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Music: 

Evil Plan by Kevin MacLeod

Breaktime by Kevin MacLeod

Onion Capers by Kevin MacLeod

Sources:

Harold Schecter. Fiend: The Shocking True Story of America’s Youngest Serial Killer.

Kellen. Denver Public Library. https://history.denverlibrary.org/news/new-alferd-packer-papers

Dick Kreck. https://www.denverpost.com/2017/10/15/denver-post-polly-pry-reporter/

Sandy Dexter. Museum of Colorado Prisons. https://prisonmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/March-2018-Newsletter.pdf

Stephanie Butzer. The Denver Channel (really good article). https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/bone-appetit-the-story-of-alferd-packer-colorados-most-infamous-yet-beloved-cannibal

Richard Dahl. FindLaw. https://blogs.findlaw.com/legally_weird/2019/10/is-it-legal-to-eat-human-flesh.html

Lewisburg Chronicle, Greeley Daily Tribune, Hays Free Press. https://www.newspapers.com/image/25084788/?terms=alferd%20packer%20days%20boulder&match=1

https://www.littletongov.org/my-littleton/littleton-history/biographies/packer

https://www.coloradovirtuallibrary.org/digital-colorado/colorado-histories/beginnings/alferd-packer-notorious-cannibal/

https://www.flagshippublishing.com/blog/post/the-mystery-of-alfred-packer

https://murderpedia.org/male.P/p/packer-alfred.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alferd_Packer

https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2522

The infamous Lipstick Killer terrorized Chicago in the 1940s. But did the police and prosecutors have it all wrong? We come to a surprising consensus! 

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Music:

Evil Plan by Kevin MacLeod

Breaktime by Kevin MacLeod

Sources:

Joseph Geringer. Crime Library. Accessed via https://murderpedia.org/male.H/h/heirens-william.htm

Shirley Hemingway. Findagrave. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/38866965/josephine-alice-ross

Chicago Tribune, Daily Register. Newspapers.com. https://www.newspapers.com/clip/30396988/chicago-tribune/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAVES

Evening Star, Detroit Evening Times. LOC. https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045462/1946-01-07/ed-1/seq-5/

Adam Higginbotham. GQ. https://www.gq.com/story/william-heirens-lipstick-killer-chicago

Katie Serena. All That’s Interesting. https://allthatsinteresting.com/william-heirens-lipstick-killer

Steve Mills and Ryan Haggerty. Chicago Tribune. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/chi-william-heirens-dies-known-as-the-lipstick-killer-20120306-story.html

http://justicedenied.org/billheir.htm

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/07/us/william-heirens-the-lipstick-killer-dies-at-83.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Heirens

PART 2 of the infamous murders of Abby and Andrew Borden looks at the trial, the aftermath, some weird shit that happened because people are weird, and finally--THEORIES! 

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Music:

Evil Plan by Kevin MacLeod

Sources:

The Trial of Lizzie Borden by Cara Robertson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_River,_Massachusetts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Skeleton_in_Armor

Evening World via LOC

Deborah Allard. Herald News. https://www.heraldnews.com/article/20150601/NEWS/150609465

Professor Douglas O. Linder and law students. Famous Trials. https://famous-trials.com/lizzieborden

Chronology. Lizzieandrewborden.com https://web.archive.org/web/20150402145937/http://lizzieandrewborden.com/crimelibrary/chronologies/chronology1789-1892.htm

Diana Griffiths. The Hatchet: A Journal of Lizzie Borden and Victorian Studies. https://ochm.medium.com/lizzie-borden-and-the-taunton-jail-d8224024666f

William F. Hanna. Old Colony History Museum. https://ochm.medium.com/lizzie-borden-and-the-taunton-jail-d8224024666f

Boston Globe. https://www.newspapers.com/image/430858491/?terms=Lizzie%20Borden&match=1

https://newengland.com/today/living/homes/lizzie-borden-house-fall-river/

https://www.legendsofamerica.com/lizzie-borden/

https://www.biography.com/news/lizzie-borden-life-after-murder-trial

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzie_Borden

https://www.womenshistory.org/articles/lizzie-borden-trial-1892

https://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2019/07/21/how-did-19th-century-axe-murderer-lizzie-borden-become-a-household-name/ideas/essay/

https://www.biography.com/crime-figure/lizzie-borden

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/borden-parents-found-dead

https://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/famous-murders/lizzie-borden/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-19th-century-axe-murderer-lizzie-borden-was-found-not-guilty-180972707/

https://www.livescience.com/lizzie-borden-house-for-sale.html

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/81765/how-lizzie-borden-spent-her-life-after-being-acquitted

https://www.bustle.com/p/what-happened-to-lizzie-borden-after-the-murders-lizzie-gives-yet-another-take-on-the-story-11881038

Unresolved Mysteries, Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/kodcvs/whats_your_weirdest_theory/

Our very first interview episode! 

Kristy talks to Mark Russell, author of CHECKMATE: THE WALLACE MURDER MYSTERY. They talk about the details of the case, Buy it here: https://mangobooks.co.uk/products/checkmate-the-wallace-murder-mystery

Huge thanks to Trans-Atlantic History Ramblings for putting us into contact with Mark! https://radiopublic.com/transatlantic-history-ramblings-WDe0gw/episodes

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PART 1 of the infamous murders of Andrew and Abby Borden looks at Fall River, life in the Borden household, the leadup to the murder and the murder itself, and arrest of Lizzie Borden for the murders of her father and stepmother. 

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Sources:

The Trial of Lizzie Borden by Cara Robertson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_River,_Massachusetts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Skeleton_in_Armor

Evening World via LOC

Deborah Allard. Herald News. https://www.heraldnews.com/article/20150601/NEWS/150609465

Professor Douglas O. Linder and law students. Famous Trials. https://famous-trials.com/lizzieborden

Chronology. Lizzieandrewborden.com http://lizzieandrewborden.com/crimelibrary/chronologies/chronology1789-1892.htm

Diana Griffiths. The Hatchet: A Journal of Lizzie Borden and Victorian Studies. https://ochm.medium.com/lizzie-borden-and-the-taunton-jail-d8224024666f

William F. Hanna. Old Colony History Museum. https://ochm.medium.com/lizzie-borden-and-the-taunton-jail-d8224024666f

Boston Globe. https://www.newspapers.com/image/430858491/?terms=Lizzie%20Borden&match=1

https://www.biography.com/crime-figure/lizzie-borden

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/borden-parents-found-dead

https://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/famous-murders/lizzie-borden/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-19th-century-axe-murderer-lizzie-borden-was-found-not-guilty-180972707/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lizzie-borden-case-blood-evidence-48-hours/

http://murderpedia.org/female.B/b/borden-lizzie.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzie_Borden

https://lizzie-borden.com/

https://www.factinate.com/people/45-dreadful-facts-lizzie-borden-fall-river-tragedy/

Music: 

Evil Plan by Kevin MacLeod