On Boards Podcast

In this episode Steve Gullans talks about the board's role for life biotech startups and IPOs, Scientific Advisory Boards, how therapeutic drug companies are different and orphan drugs – and everything life science.

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Background - Steve's network and expertise extend from academia to Wall Street. He has managed teams through successful financings, scale up of operations, clinical trials, deal negotiations, IPOs and M&As. He has also served as board director for more than a dozen companies, currently including Orionis Biosciences, Alexis Bio, iSpecimen, and Navigation Sciences. Steve began his career as a professor at Harvard Medical School, has co-authored over 130 scientific papers and is a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences as well as the American Heart Association. Steve has also as CEO of a public biotech company and co-founder and Managing Director of Excel Ventures, a life sciences venture capital firm and he is currently the CEO of Metis Minds, a digital wellness company addressing ADHD.

On Scientific Advisory Boards - "Scientific advisory boards generally, as the name implies, involve scientists giving advice to a company, or it could be to an institution ... helping them with their innovations or with a large number of companies as they try to figure out how to maneuver their way through the technical challenges of the scientific process."

BioNtech had no plans to go into vaccines, but if you have the right community of people, you can actually pivot when you need to. But on top of that, it's really about giving sage advice and critical advice that often the board cannot provide.

"Joe: One scientific advisory board that I'm very familiar with is the one that we have on St. Jude Children's Research Hospital … For some of the deep dives, they'll bring in outsiders, not members of the ongoing SAB, for very specific expertise, but I think it's fair to say that for the board, that three, four, five hours that we spend with them each year is some of the best time that we have all year."

Metis Minds – "I just decided to come out of retirement because I've been focusing the last few years in learning about the digital technologies that will allow us to retrain the human mind.

"Metis Minds is was developed by a team in Boston in collaboration with others around the world. It's simply an EEG device that sits on the forehead of a child or it could be an adult, and it controls through Bluetooth a video game on an iPad or other pad. It looks identical to the games that my grandkids play today, like Subway Surfer. It's an adventure avatar game, and the speed at which the game operates is determined by how much you focus and concentrate. Eight human trials have shown it actually works."

Therapeutic Drug Companies – "an early stage biotech therapeutic drug company, it really needs a lot of capital. The path is well worn, and at the same time there is capital available, but you have to check certain boxes in order to access it."

"In general, you have a preclinical development period. It could be in academia, it could be in a private company, or you use the best available animal model to show the compound you have, whether it's a biologic, a small molecule, a peptide, it could be a natural product, it could be anything that shows benefits and safety in small animals."

"A fundamental difference in terms of operating therapeutic drug companies is you never have revenue."

"There are two hallmarks. If it gets a 90% failure rate, why would anybody invest? The answer is because you don't actually have to ever have a sale. By the time you finish phase two clinical trials, the pharma companies line up because they prefer to run the phase three trial themselves and they buy that company."

On Theranos – "I am one of many scientists who looked at the Theranos' slide deck during its multiple financings. My partners say, "Why can't we invest at this round, Steve? Because look, the valuation is now 3 billion, it used to be only 1 billion." The answer was because people who knew the science knew that it defied the laws of both chemistry and physics at the same time they didn't use a drop of blood to find a bacterium. If there was only one bacterial cell per 10 milliliters, you're going to miss it. That's a very simple concept."

On Diversity of Perspective on a Board – "What you often need to do is you need to reach outside your network because there is such a demand for highly talented people that the shortlist of obvious people already have appointments at Pfizer and the big companies."

"One of our life science companies had somebody from Wayfair on the board, , but her understanding of IT technology and how you actually create marketplaces online was instrumental in pointing the company to the right partnerships, the right people, and all sorts of things.

Arkayli and Orphan Drugs – "Hemangiomas, is the red tumor-like spot on a new infant, just born; it happens to tens of thousands of kids. Often they disappear on their own, but the founder identified a way to treat it with a cream, but she didn't have the wherewithal or the understanding how to do it, and at a conference, she met some people who were experts in drug formulation and making creams with absorbable medications. It's an approved drug."

You and Your Urine – "When I was at Harvard Med, there was a course called You and Your Urine, where the students had to come to class and had to pee into a vial …You got to have a little fun while educating. I guarantee the students remember that lecture."

Board's Role for Biotech IPO – "Yeah, there are several roles for boards. In many cases you'll have a board member who's from a crossover fund like RA Capital or ComREIT or Deerfield, and I did a couple of crossover deals myself, where you invest right before they go public. You jump on the board and then you help with the S-1 and the filings and everything else.

If you're a crossover investor, they know all the public investors and they sort of are on the bellwether of whether it's a good deal, so ideally a board member helps recruit a crossover investor to be an investor in the round before the IPO."

"It's about this is going to be a blockbuster because it's a once a month injectable, not twice a week. That is bullet point number one, gang. I know you have love all your science, but it's these kinds of understandings that really trigger the public. Both retail and institutional investors want to do it."

Maria is the President and CEO of The Chicago Network, a group of women business leaders in the Chicago area whose purpose is to empower women to lead. In this episode we talk about The Chicago Network, its history, their work on getting more women on boards and important aspects of board diversity

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Maria's Background – "My parents, who are two of the smartest people I know, have very little formal education. For them it was all about opportunity, and education for them was the door that open those opportunities, so they really made it their mission and purpose to provide my sister and I as much opportunity on the educational front as we could have."

Becoming President & CEO of The Chicago Network – "I met with the search committee on numerous occasions. The more I learned about the organization, I just felt like this was the place for me to be. It was definitely a switch because I went from being a corporate lawyer and a strategist and an advocate and all these pieces to actually shifting into the nonprofit sector, but I knew it was exactly where I should be because this role in particular allows me to help amplify the voices of our members to really live into our purpose and to our mission."

Broader Impact of TCN – "Our women [members] lead global organizations, the question is how are they using their power and influence within their organization as well as amplifying the platforms that they are on. How are they using their power and influence to be able to really change the numbers in the gender equity space."

Increasing Women on Boards - We've always had a focus on increasing the number of women on boards, but we've really amplified it over the last three years. About 30% of our members are serving on for-profit boards.

One of the requirements of our organization is you must be civically engaged, so every one of our members at some point has served on a nonprofit board or is currently serving on a nonprofit board. That board service is really part of our DNA.

Growing the Next Level of Leaders - One of the things that we talk about a lot is, , it's really important if you want to be a CEO to own a P&L and most women aren't told that they need to pivot into a P&L role. It's one thing that we feel very strongly about - that women in particular need to be told and recognize and given support to pivot into that space to take on some of these bigger roles.

Non-profit Board Service Leading to For-Profit Boards - Nonprofit board service is a wonderful way to prepare people for for-profit board service. If you pick a nonprofit board, I encourage people to pick one that has a very strong governance. They have a nom/gov committee, they have a finance and audit committee, a board development committee.

Melissa Sampson McMorrow chairs the Tax Department at the law firm of Nutter McClennen & Fish and co-chairs Nutter's Nonprofit and Social Impact Practice Group. In this episode we talk about models of governance structures for Impact Philanthropy Enterprises - ranging from Newman's Own to Patagonia. We also discuss Massachusetts guidelines for diversity, equity, and inclusion on the boards of Massachusetts charities.

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Nutter McClennen and Fish

New York Times Article about Patagonia

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About Nutter - Nutter McClennen & Fish is a Boston-based law firm that was founded over 150 years ago by Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. The firm carries on his legacy today by providing high-quality legal counsel to industry-leading companies, entrepreneurs, institutions, foundations, and families across the country.

Changing landscape of Impact Philanthropy - As the world has become more complicated and as the profile of donors has evolved, you see more engagement from donors, and you see donors drawing on different tools and approaches to accomplish their charitable objectives.

Donors want to give more than money - .. What you're really seeing is donors, many of whom are successful entrepreneurs, really wanting to use those skills and know-how and apply it in world of philanthropy where they can really make an impact, not just giving money, but with aligning with their goals.

Newman's Own Model - Newman's Own was Paul Newman's company and anyone who walked down the salad dressing aisle of a grocery store knows that Paul Newman gave some percentage of the profits that his for-profit company made to charity every year.

Fast forward to his death, how does he keep this going after he's gone? Well, what he did was he, bin very simple terms, gave his company to his charitable foundation...

A wise mentor of mine once said to me, if you don't like the law, change it, and that's what they did. They lobbied Congress and they changed the law, and so they were able to end up with a structure that is available to everyone, not just Newman's Own, that would allow a foundation to continue to operate a for-profit business.

How the Patagonia Model is Different – There are a few aspects that distinguish what at first blush might seem like a similar arrangement to the Newman's Own arrangement, with few key distinctions. The first distinction of the Patagonia example is that the family is able to maintain control of the business. They don't own it or have an economic ownership interest in it, but there is a control element that is not present in the Newman's Own situation.

Massachusetts Guidelines on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion for Non-Profits -Massachusetts has had a guidebook for nonprofit organizations, particularly charitable organizations, for a long time. It was most recently updated in 2022, and I think it's really interesting where they chose to put the focus in their updates.

Really, it's on first, education, second paying attention to the financial workings of the organization and then third -and arguably most important -, paying attention to how you build your board and how that board carries out its duty in executing the organization's mission.

Louis Brandeis on Progress - If you'll permit me a quote by the founder of our firm, Louis Brandeis, our DEI strategic plan is guided by a quote of his as follows, "In differentiation, not in uniformity, lies the path of progress," and I think that rings true today as well.

Maria Castañón Moats is the leader of PricewaterhouseCoopers' Governance Insights Center and previously served as PwC's Chief Diversity officer. In this episode we speak with her about PwC's 2022 Annual Corporate Directors Survey, which included the views of over 700 public company directors, about the important issues facing boards and how directors view them.

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PwC Corporate Directors Exchange

The PwC Corporate Directors Exchange is a gathering of directors on public company boards, primarily Fortune 1000 and above, that PwC hosts every year in January. Our theme this year was "Acting today for a better tomorrow" - it's about bringing leadership into the boardroom.

We touched on the geopolitical environment, shareholder engagement and activism, what's happening in Washington, how we behave with one another and why. We addressed trust, climate and then cyber. For two days onsite with a hundred plus directors in person and another 120+ on live stream, it was terrific.

PwCs 2022 Annual Corporate Directors Survey,

Issue #1: The Trust Gap. While 87% of business executives believe consumers highly trust their company, only 30% of consumers actually do.

"This lands at the feet of the board of directors as stewards of the company."

In order to maintain trust, there needs to be a level of transparency with all stakeholders so that they better understand the company.

When I talk about transparency and disclosure, that's separate from what a regulator would require. It's not a compliance element, it's what does the company stand for? How does the company want to be transparent and communicate with its stakeholders?

Being transparent about its strategy, its risk, its processes, is a great start, but 71% of directors told us that it starts with engaging, talking, communicating with shareholders. It's not enough to have it written.

Issue #2: Pushback on ESG: Only 45% of directors believe ESG has an impact on long-term performance

That 45% really concerned me because it was slightly higher last year, that whole why ESG and how does that really impact the bottom line, right? Performance profits, I'll call it instead of performance. What I think is happening is there is a bit of ESG fatigue in terms of the conversation amongst directors and companies.

"The question companies and directors need to ask is: if we don't want to call it "ESG", How is the company really going to differentiate? That differentiation, trying to get more market share, growing revenues - how do you think about that relative to strategies around the environment, climate and social in your people?"

You have to make sure that you're engaging so you could educate them on how you're going to bring forth that long-term value that will come through the elements of ESG, how long that will take, and what that impact, if any, will be on the short term.

Issue #3: 31% believe that sitting CEOs should not serve on boards outside their own company.

I think the concern is valid because you don't want your CEO to be distracted. But on the other hand, I am fully supportive of having that CEO be on a board.

The CEO often sets the agenda for board meetings with the lead director, et cetera, so if they sit on an outside board, then they're probably better at thinking: what should our agendas look like? How often should we discuss different elements of the strategy?

"One of the most important things that boards do is make sure that they have the right CEO in succession planning. If a CEO that sits on an outside board, they probably know how that outside board thinks about CEO succession planning."

Issue #4: Forty-eight percent of directors want to see a fellow board director replaced. However, 62% say that boards won't enforce any policies that would lead to that result.

Yes, so that 48% has been showing up in probably the last five surveys.

In addition to the 48% of board members that say somebody around this room doesn't belong, 19% tell us that they would replace two or more people—but then they're less willing to enforce policies. And by that, they're probably thinking term limits, age limits, which are not that prevalent.

"There needs to be robust individual board member assessments, and a plan to rotate members through committees. There needs to be a plan to rotate chairs on committees, and there needs to be a plan for constantly thinking about a pipeline of potential board members that can come on over the next three or five years."

What skills does the board need? What experiences does it need? Is that what you currently have? And if not, how do you get there? You're not making it about individual board members, you're making it about the collective group of people that comprise this board, what are the skills that they need and how does that tie into where the company is going and the strategy and so on and so forth.

"I think third parties are tremendously helpful because boards, form consensus, are collegial and the like. It's always helpful to bring a third person in to tell you what you could be doing better, what they're seeing other boards do, I think it would be helpful."

Let me give you a few more stats. We have a section around board diversity and how are you making changes in your board? First of all, 36% of the directors in the survey told us that they've just increased the size of the board, so they added a board seat to bring in a diverse board member, that's good.

Sixty-seven percent said that they basically replaced a retiring director with a diverse director, a person of color, a woman that's probably they were thinking of as well. But 69% are now disclosing in their own proxy full diversity skillsets and the like of their board members.

"Since identifying and managing risk is so critical to a board—maybe more critical now than ever because it's become so more complex—the idea of a diverse and 'more fit for the purpose' board is even more compelling. Because, if nothing else, you certainly want a board that is able to work with management to identify risk and to understand how much risk they should be taking or not taking. If you're not doing that, the board may not be doing its job because that is such a fundamentally important responsibility that boards have."

Jennifer Buras advises clients, primarily senior executives, on career development, including in many instances their first board seat. In this episode she discusses how to prepare your first board seat – and succeed.

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Preparing a client for a first Board Seat

"What is your personal brand? What is your board brand? How can you articulate that and infuse that in your board bio, your board resume, the way you present your value proposition.

We conduct mock interviews. We coach our clients who are actively pursuing board seats and are in live interview situations. We'll record those interviews. A board interview is very different than a corporate interview, so we want to make sure that they're prepared for that sort of questioning.

Board Bio

By presenting a board bio you're demonstrating your board savvy. A board bio is intended to be a one-page narrative where the reader can quickly ascertain what is your board brand and what is your value proposition. What is it that's unique about you and your experience that's going to be accretive to the boardroom.

The role of a board member

People need to be reminded that it's not about "telling" in the boardroom, it's really about listening and being able to ask the right questions in order to further a conversation and get to a better decision.

Networking

I think it's important for prospective board members or those seeking board seats to start with their own network. Who do you know within your network who is a board director? Who do you know who's an influencer; accountants, lawyers, venture capitalists and really catalog that list and tier them. You're trying to get into that second and third degree of separation from yourself in order to find opportunities.

Big Ideas/Thoughts

We had a client at Essex years ago, who came from a very large, well known money management firm in Boston and he was offended that nobody had asked him yet to join a board and nobody asked.

When I asked: "Have you told anyone you want to join a board?" he said, "no." You have to let people, your network and beyond, to know you're interested. Pretty basic, but sometimes overlooked.

First For Profit Board Seat

I joined that board as a result of my work on the North Shore Y Board. At that time I was the treasurer of the organization. I chaired the finance committee and the CEO of Beverly Bank, the predecessor bank, was an ad hoc member of that board so he was able to see me in action in a different context than he might have seen me had he just known me in my day job. Having worked with him, when a board seat opened up on his board, he asked me if I'd like to be considered

When you sit on a not for profit board you have an opportunity for people to see you in action in a different way than they may see you in your day job, they see you in the boardroom, and also you're often with board influencers, people who are either on corporate boards themselves, CEOs, people in the community who are willing to advance and endorse you.

Time Commitment as a board member

The NACD published a survey in the last year or so which indicated that the average director spends 248 hours a year, which translates into five hours a week on their board role, and as you know it's not necessarily an evenly spread five hours a week.

Boston Club

The Boston Club is a woman's leadership organization based in Boston dedicated to advancing women not only in the boardroom, but into leadership roles.

In this episode, Bridget Ross talks about her career in life sciences and her most recent roles: CEO of a medical device startup, and independent board member of a medical device company; the difference between her private and public company board experience; and the challenge of growing into two new roles during the pandemic.

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Separating serving as CEO from Board chair - ChroniSense Medical

I felt that the separation of the CEO and Board Chair role would diversify responsibility. It's a good check and balance for the CEO to have a separate board chair to oversee, to challenge, to support, to help ignite things that are important and help move us forward, break down barriers and support me on those things, or to help put the brakes on if they think I'm going too fast on something.

Big Ideas/Thoughts

Independent Board member as Board Chair of startup company

The intention originally was to find the right independent board member, who would be a good fit for our board, help us build our company culture, and who would have a strong background to support me during this early stage of company growth.

We found a really strong individual who we believed would be a terrific addition to our board. Then I proposed to my two current investors/board directors - We've got a really unique person with terrific experience who's an MD, holds an MBA and MPH, has raised capital as an entrepreneur, sits on other boards, is local, with impeccable education, and is a terrific person! She also happens to be female. I think she'd make an excellent board chair for us and that we should seriously consider naming her so.

We were looking for a great independent director and found an amazing board chair!

ChroniSense Medical

"ChroniSense is a company I joined at the beginning of the pandemic. I signed on and started in February 2020, flew to Israel, met with the group and I was… really impressed with the investors I'd be working with and the leadership team … . Just great people [and] great talent; smart, creative, great problem solvers, and meaningful technology…"

…"the opportunity for ChroniSense … how to support transition from the acute care settings into the community-type care, remote care, and how can we help with chronic care support / the variety of conditions that need to have ongoing management…"

"… this is not a consumer device, it's not a health and wellness device, it's a medical-grade monitoring device that we will put through the FDA offering medical-grade, on-demand, in-the-moment detailed information."

LeMaitre

"I met the LeMaitre team right around the time I joined ChroniSense Medical as CEO in the late winter of 2020, and when this opportunity came about, I wanted to make sure that I could tackle both my first board role and my first CEO role which were happening at the same time. Luckily, my main investors appreciated the value of their CEO having other responsibilities like this, building other networks, so they very much supported the opportunity for me to join the LeMaitre board."

Fuqua School of Business

I was at Fuqua recently; I'd been asked to guest lecture the second-year students of the life science sector at Duke. The last question I was asked was: What were you most surprised about when you took on these two roles, as CEO of ChroniSense and joined the board at LeMaitre?

And I said, "…I was…surprised at how much fun it is to learn these two different things I'd never done before, how much I'm enjoying it, how much I'm looking at it as… another chapter, and how you can have so much joy in every chapter of your professional life - whether it's being a second year student as an MBA here at Fuqua School of Business at Duke, or whether it's… carrying a bag for the first time, managing people for the first time, moving to a bigger country or a bigger role or global role, leaving a company, going to another company. I guess what I found so amazing is how much I've learned and how much I've enjoyed the different opportunities I have been afforded."

Coretha Rushing talks about the important role a Chief People Officer plays in management and on the board. Many companies say people are their most important asset, in this episode we talk about what an organization should do to reflect that priority.

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I haven't worked at any company where they don't say people are our most important asset. I've not worked at any company where they say they want to operate in an ethical way and that people should be respected in the workplace. But we hear, unfortunately, every day, both in the news and personal engagements with friends and family members, that there are things that happen in the workplace every day that should not be happening, and that must be impacting how people are showing at work and their effectiveness when they are there.

I think what has changed dramatically with the pandemic and the lack of talent in the marketplace is that smart companies are looking at their talent very differently. The role [of CPO) becomes critical, and they're sitting there with the CFO talking about the other major assets of the company. When I left Coca-Cola and people contacted me about opportunities, I wasn't interested if it didn't report to the CEO.

I was very fortunate to work for CEOs who felt it was important I attend the strategy sessions, to ensure I was aware and informed on real-time basis those things impacting our business

The reason I've had the benefit of being contacted about so many board opportunities is because so many boards have lack focus on their people assets and are deficient in the area of human capital.

It's amazing to me when I'm sitting on a board among former and current CEOs and COOs and CFOs, how little they understand about the basics in managing, engaging and retaining talent.

Productivity is not "I'm sitting at my desk all day long." Productivity is you ask me to deliver X by X date with these performance parameters, and I've checked the box on each one.

Big Ideas/Thoughts

For the majority of time when I grew up in HR, the majority of employees in the human resource function were women. But when I reflected on my own career, most of the time, the most senior people tended to be men.

Most companies spend a lot of time, effort, and money on the acquisition of their human capital, but like people who save their whole life for something like a brand-new car and then later you see it and it's got dents in it and it's not clean, and you're thinking, "I remember this guy wanted this car, and now look at it." Sometimes I feel like companies acquire people and then they don't take the time to understand what the asset is that they have.

All of my boards have been very, very different, but they all have a common thread, which is the expectation is not that you run the company, but that you weigh in on the runnings of the company; that you hold the CEO and the leadership team's feet to the fire around what they espouse as the strategy and whether or not they're staying on track to the strategy that they've communicated.

When I was at the Coca-Cola Company and Equifax and things happened around the world, it had an impact to us in the US. Even though we may want to believe that we're the dog wagging the tail when it comes to talent, I'm not always sure that that's the case.

In my mind, companies are better, and our country is better when we have people from all over working and making us a better place. I'm hoping the pendulum will swing back to the middle because I think there are many organizations that know they have benefited from having diversity of talent in their talent base.

I think this whole focus on employee engagement is trying to find that happy medium. I do believe that people want to come into the office, but I also believe that people don't think they have to come in every day. Management believes some employees are not productive and they're using "productivity tools" to test, but employees believe that they are hugely productive. I think what we are missing here is productivity should be based on outcome, not just physically being at a particular place, at a certain time.

Shaz Kahng is a serial CEO and Board Director and with a wealth of experience running companies and businesses and is also an award-winning author of two novels, with a third underway. In this episode she talks about the power of diverse perspectives on management teams and boards, and the tremendous impact it can have.

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https://www.ceilingsmashers.com/

Amazon for The Closer

https://www.amazon.com/Closer-Ceiling-Smashers-Book/dp/0998656607/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1663614201&sr=8-1

Google Talk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foKW0H9v4V0

LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/shazkahng/

Quotes

The Closer [First Novel]

I noticed in reading a lot of fiction novels was that if there was a male character who was a business leader, he was allowed to be attractive and smart and successful and athletic and had lots of friends.

But whenever there was a female business leader, she was allowed to be competent at her job, but the rest of her life was really negative: for example, she was trying to quash the careers of other women, or she had 13 cats or she was desperate to get married.

I thought that these fiction books were not reflecting reality. I've worked with and know so many incredible women who are leading businesses, leading companies who are very inspirational, very positive, who are really focused on helping other women, like Lisa Shalett [co-founder of EWOB]

I thought there was just a void in the fiction marketplace. I wanted to address that and write a fresh novel that had a more modern and accurate take on women in business.

Some publishers were a little concerned about the theme of the book.

I was really surprised [at the reaction by some publishers] because I thought I was offering a very distinct and unique product and one that women would want to read, and I was surprised when I heard from some publishers that they didn't think women wanted to read about other smart women. They didn't want to read about successful women. They didn't want to read about women helping other women, and I just thought they were wrong.

I pushed ahead and published the book, and it's gotten a great reception from women leaders and male leaders as well. I've heard some men who are CEOs say, "When I'm faced with a challenge, I think what would the main character Vivien Lee do in this situation," and then they make a decision that way. So, that's been very gratifying to hear.

Big Ideas/Thoughts

Extraordinary Women on Boards

EWOB is really focused on educating current board members. In order to be on EWOB, you have to be currently on a board or previously on a board so it's for people who really are experienced board directors, but the focus is on continuing education, discussing topics that are top of mind for boards and just really expanding board members' capabilities and understanding of different issues.

It is a really helpful resource to have such qualified women who are experienced on different boards to be able to share their experiences, share their perspectives, network, and also let each other know of opportunities.

Strategic war games [at OMSignal, a biometric apparel startup]

I suggested to the board and to the founders that we do a strategic war game, which is type of simulation game that you play, that helps you build a very forward-looking strategy.

It helps you figure out what the holes are in your business strategy, what the opportunities are, where the industry sector is going. As a result of that strategic war game, we ended up focusing a little bit more on women and I had been asking the founders, "Why are you just focused on men's compression and introducing a smart sports shirt? Why not women's compression?" And they said, "Well, what product would that be?" And I said, "Well, women wear a compression product every day, which is a bra, so why don't we do a smart sports bra?"

I think that's why populating your board with people of different backgrounds, different ways of thinking, differentexperiences are so critical to ensuring a successful future for your company.

Onboarding: Private vs Public Boards

It was a vastly different experience. With the private company boards, basically on my first day they said, "Okay, can you help us figure out our revenue projections? Do we do it the right way? We need help with marketing. What do you think about this copy? Or should we be spending more money doing these different things with our marketing budget?" it was very hands on, very deep.

With the public company board, it was much more of a formal process. There were certain pieces of information that I needed to review, SEC documents that I had to fill out, and then I also had interviews with, I think, three or four members of the board before I was nominated, and I also asked to meet with all of the board members individually before I actually joined the board

Science Background

I think a science background was a great foundation for a business career, and one of the reasons is that it helps you really approach problems from a holistic point of view. I think it gives you an ability to develop hypotheses on how to solve problems, to experiment with different results that might work and to ultimately pick the right solution.

LiveGirl

LiveGirl was started by Sheri West. She was a former GE executive and she noticed that there weren't enough opportunities careerwise for women from diverse backgrounds and she wanted to do something about it and she's doing a terrific job with it.

LiveGirl helps to provide girls, middle school and up, with the skills that they need to be able to succeed in the workplace, like better communication skills, negotiation skills, interviewing skills and things like that. They also help set up girls in the program with summer internships with different companies.

Jane Chwick, the former Co-Chief Operating Officer of Goldman's technology division, and a seasoned board member, talks about the critical impact of having a technologist on a board.

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Getting my first board seat. The simplest way to say this, I followed the advice I had given to more junior people in my organization for years. I let people know what I wanted, I told everybody who asked me what I wanted to do or where I was going, that I wanted to sit on boards, and somehow it made its way through the grapevine

Importance of a technologist on the board. If you have even one technologist in the board room pushing back, and if it's the right technologist, they're pushing back in English to the right point, and it will inform the entire board.

Big Ideas/Thoughts

Extraordinary Women on Boards (EWOB). One of the things that Lisa Shalett has created that's unbelievable about EWOB is on a monthly basis there's a list of board seats that she puts out. She's not a recruiting firm; recruiting firms, will talk to you about the one possible position that might be appropriate for you. Lisa sends out the email of all of the possible board seats, and it's up to you to decide what you're interested in and what you might want to view yourself as a fit for that you can apply to. That's a very different model in the job search world or the board search world, and that's been very valuable

Preparing for an IPO. the IPO process was very interesting because the other boards I had joined were already public, and so this was bringing this company to an IPO and being part of it as a board member was very interesting.

The board met with all the big name investment bankers that you could possibly think of and interviewed them all and then we had board sessions around ranking them and deciding which ones would work the best for us and would meet our needs.

There were a lot of meetings along the way in terms of creating the right governance structure; we didn't have a compensation committee, a nomination and governance committee, an audit committee and we had to make sure we had the right people on the board for those committees.

Don't lose the secret sauce. Sir Ian Davis was the managing director of McKinsey and is a very impressive person. With all of his background at McKinsey that's helpful in learning how to scale, but he is very conscious to not break what ThoughtWorks is.

Raza. I love to tell everybody famous Agile seminal joke of the Pig and the Chicken.

A pig and a chicken get together and the chicken asks the pig, "Hey, should we open a restaurant?" And the pig says, "Hey, what are we going to call it?" And the chicken responds by saying "ham and eggs." The pig thinks for a little bit, and then says, "No, thank you. You'll only be involved, but I'll be committed."

This is the principle of committed versus involved in a stand-up meeting where people that are merely involved are not allowed to speak in a stand-up meeting. As one of the really important original works for Agile development that Martin Fowler and others did, I may not know ThoughtWorks, but as a recovering technologist I know Martin Fowler.

Voya Culture. We announced the new CEO of Voya in the summer and her name is Heather Lavallee and it's very exciting because when I joined the board of Voya another woman and I were the first two women on the board. There were hardly any women in the senior, senior leadership team, and roll the clock forward, not only are there women in the senior leadership team, but the new CEO is a woman. I think 50% or more of the board are female. It's an amazing story

From living on a dirt street in rural new Mexico living in poverty as her parents struggled paycheck to paycheck, to rocket scientist, CEO, board member extraordinaire and bestselling author, Sylvia Acevedo's story is an inspiring story of transformation.

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On writing "Path to The Stars:" My Journey From Girl Scout to Rocket Scientist

"I chose middle school because the way the world is evolving, science and technology are embedded in everything that we're doing, and you need to have at least a modicum of understanding about science and technology, and middle school is kind of that last time you can choose those electives and that really what is like an inflection point in your life."

I was the beneficiary of some great programs like Head Start, obviously the Girl Scouts, but I also had really amazing teachers and mentors, and then I was able to develop skill sets that became extraordinary, that were able to give me opportunities like math, being able to have the kind of math skills to be able to re rocket scientist. It was a confluence of those things that I realized gave me this great opportunity to live a life of my dreams and my potential.

My Girl Scout troop leader taught me to never walk away from a sale until I'd heard "no" three times, and that was so transformational because I had been raised in a Spanish-speaking household and kids are not supposed to speak to adults until adults speak to them, that's a really hard way to sell cookies. it taught me is persistence, resilience, and how do you get to the yes.

Big Ideas/Thoughts

My fourth grade teacher, Mrs. Baldwin, showed us pictures of universities in class one day, one of which was of Stanford. Remember I grew up in the desert Southwest, one of the most extreme deserts. There's the Tundra, there's the Sahara, and then there's the Chihuahuan Desert, and that's that part of New Mexico where I was raised. When I saw the green verdant hills and the red tiled roof and the limestone buildings, I just said, "I want to go there." And I probably meant I just wanted to go there to see it, but she walked to my desk, and she said, "You know, Sylvia, it's one of the best universities in the US and the world, and you're a smart girl and you can go there."

Impact of Girl Scouts

I had the goal and the dream, wanting to work in NASA, or be part of the space program, going to Stanford. I had those adult mentors. I had extraordinary skills and also I had that drive of wanting to leave that for something better.

As I mentioned, my family struggled with money and I was really fortunate that the troop leader that we had said I could be part and do everything, but I had to sell a lot of cookies and use my cookie funds for those programs, and that was so important because there were several things that I learned from that.

For people listening on the call, we all know how to do that, but for a kid who's been raised in near poverty and the circumstances, I didn't know how to do that, so that really was that light bulb moment that taught me that I could have my goals and dreams, which is also why in fourth grade, when that teacher showed me the picture of Stanford, I was able to say, "Okay, what do I need to do? I need to break it down into smaller steps."

CEO of Girl Scouts of USA:

One of the Girl Scout mantras has always been leaving a campsite better than you found it. So, when I became the CEO I got to work!

We created 146 new merit badges during my four-years as CEO, more than at any other time in history, and we also grew the cookie program by about 80 million dollars as well. 126 of the new badges were STEM: coding, cyber. robotics, design thinking vehicles. We did a partnership with General Motors and some with NASA as well, 126 STEM badges that are just really great badges for girls to earn.

Competitiveness in the tech Job Market

When you think about semiconductors, you realize that they're the brains and so much of what we're using to drive and create and power our world.

If you think about the United States and you have a workforce of about a hundred million people, you think, "Okay, in our top 10% is 10 million. You now have a couple of countries; India and China, who can provide more than 10 million people who speak English fluently in our technology advance, and so there is a whole lot more competitiveness.

In addition, you have the dispersal of work, so work used to be done locally. For the United States, we had a lot of people who kind of figured, "Well, I just need to work near a certain location, and I'll be able to have work, and not only that I speak English."

Those two competitive advantages many ways have kind of gone away for many jobs, the competitive advantage of local proximity and the competitive advantage of English being a unique language. Yes, English is the language of business, but now there's a lot more people speaking English so it's just not a competitive advantage now.