Gretchen and Katie both saw the Barbie movie, and want to talk about it the cultural statements made in this movie. They talk about the idea of utopias, and the danger in creating utopia. This movie also talks about when our ideals hit reality.

It presents reaching for perfection as a heavy burden to put on people, and how humans often process emotions and thoughts through play.

They talk about patriarchy and matriarchy, tied up with this reaching for perfection and utopias, and the humanity of us all. In all this, it points to the fact that ideals without Christ end up being ideals that take into account our humanity and needs.

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