Building a brand today takes more than a shiny homepage. Bob Rockland (Code) and Anshey Bhatia (Verbal+Visual) join Aaron Schwartz (Orita) to share how they help brands grow with soul—by marrying conversion best practices with storytelling that resonates.In this episode, they unpack what it really takes to scale DTC in 2025—from obsessing over checkout UX to localization, cleaning up bloated tech stacks, and staying human in the age of AI.Whether you're a founder plotting your next international move or a marketer trying to lift AOV without tanking CX, this one's for you.💡 Curious how top Shopify agencies are helping brands grow fast and stay true to themselves?👉 Hit play for sharp tactics, some contrarian takes, and a few jokes about wool.👥 Say hi to the guests:Bob Rockland, Co-Founder at Code, https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-rockland/Anshey Bhatia, Founder & CEO Verbal + Visual, https://www.linkedin.com/in/ansheybhatia/🎧 Chapters:[00:00] Meet the Experts: Bob, Anshey & a Side of Wool[03:53] From Homepage to Heartbeat: How Brand Identity Has Evolved[10:10] Going Global: How Smart Brands Expand Without Imploding[16:02] More Than Pretty: Why Personalization Needs a Pulse[21:45] First Impressions Matter: What Top Clients Ask (and What They Miss)[24:02] Client Coffee Chat Questions That Reveal Everything[27:15] Red Flags & Quick Wins: Diagnosing Brand Bloat[30:05] Code Red: When to Rebuild Your Site vs. Keep Tinkering[32:00] Checkout, Please! Turning “Just Browsing” into “Take My Money”[34:03] More in the Cart, Less in the Returns Bin: AOV That Sticks[37:50] Founder Fuel: Advice, Warnings & What’s Actually Worth It🌐 Check out orita.ai for more episodes of The Orita Podcast—where we sit down with the most interesting operators, marketers, and founders in e-commerce to talk about what’s working right now. Hosted by Aaron Schwartz, co-founder and co-CEO of Orita. Orita uses machine learning to help brands send smarter, more profitable marketing—by figuring out who actually wants to hear from you and when.If you’ve got a customer list, this show is for you. Whether you’re deep in Klaviyo flows, thinking through supply chain strategy, or just trying to make your paid media budget stretch a little further, we’re here to help you learn from the people building some of the most resilient and resourceful brands and agencies out there.http://orita.ai?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=bob-and-anshey 🔗 Connect with Aaron on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaroncharlesschwartz/Keywords:e-commerce, Shopify, brand identity, globalization, personalization, emotional connection, marketing strategies, customer experience, commerce ecosystem, digital transformation, e-commerce, client engagement, technical assessment, average order value, checkout efficiency, business growth, digital marketing, customer experience, brand strategy