Alice sits in Osher Gunsberg's lovely place in Bondi, and drinks tea. They talk about the polarisation of discourse, how to argue politely and whether we should scrap capitalism and start afresh. Alice weirdly plays devils advocate a lot in this episode.

You can find Osher Gunsberg online by googling him, and support him on patreon.com/osher

Alice as ever is at patreon.com/AliceFraser