Even the most conservative churches today are filled with rebellion against authority. Why? Because we have lost the doctrine of the Fatherhood of God. As fatherhood died, so the fear of God has died, and so authority has died. Having lost the doctrine of God's Fatherhood, we simplistically bounce between what we understand to be the only two options: absolute autocracy and absolute mutuality.

Mentioned in the show:

Alexander Mitscherlich, Society without the father: A contribution to social psychology; (1969).

John Calvin, "Paradise Comes with a Caveat: The Meaning of the Two Trees”; preached Friday, September 22, 1559, on text Genesis 2:15-17 (sermon ten in his series on Genesis):

"Now God's will is unknown to us of itself. He must make it known by His word so that we can discern from what He says what pleases Him and what He condemns. That, then, is why God in the beginning gives our father Adam leave to use everything He put in his hand except the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. Now, although we do not know why God commanded or forbade one thing or another, He must nonetheless hold such authority over us that we yield to His simple statement, for one aspect of obedience lies in the fact that we are not wise in our own conceits and do not bring ourselves to talking back and asking, "Who moved God to do this? Why did he do it?” If we engage in such disputes, we disparage God's majesty. When a master orders one of his servants, or a prince one of his officers, to do what he tells him, he will want to be heard and have his order executed without the servant's knowing why. Now if mortal men ask for such a privilege and such a right over those who are subject to them, what will the situation be by comparison when we are dealing with God! God's authority and right, then, are similarly diminished when we are unwilling to hear patiently what He commands and when we do not concede to His prohibitions without question. In short, if we want to be obedient to God, as is proper, we must in no way question Him to learn what motivated Him to approve one thing and to condemn another, and we must be content to know that He has spoken and the decision has been made and that we are not permitted to resist it in any way."

Screenshot of excerpt from Tim Bayly, Daddy Tried: Overcoming the Failures of Fatherhood (2016): (here)

Since he’d spent his life serving as an interim pastor, I wondered if Larry was a normal interim, or a good one? Asking him how he handled longterm conflicts he discovered in churches he was asked to serve as interim pastor, Larry said it was his habit to expose the church’s conflict right out of the gate.

“How,” I asked?

“The first thing I do is change the order of worship. That brings the power players out into the open.”

Couldn’t believe he said or did that.

All history is a history of warfare. Christians understand that history is the outworking of man's Fall. Another fruit of the Fall is that man always tends to avoid conflict, hoping the issues will resolve themselves. Pastors and elders in the church must first be convinced that there will always be conflict in the church and that putting off entering into that conflict will make it worse. If you avoid conflict and heading off the wolves at the pass, the wolves will choose the hill, the weapons, and the time of year for the fight. Pastors and elders are responsible for anticipating the conflict. They must have a faith-filled resignation to conflict to fulfill their calling to guard the sheep. It is a defining weakness of our generation that pastors want to focus on the positive and collect men by the positive. We talk about discipleship, building things up, and growth, then we do our utmost to blind ourselves to threats. Good shepherds see what they see and engage.

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Intro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.

Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc.

Pastor Tim and Andrew Henry discuss Helen Andrews' article "The Great Feminization," in which she presents this thesis: "Wokeness is not a new ideology, an outgrowth of Marxism, or a result of post-Obama disillusionment. It is simply feminine patterns of behavior applied to institutions where women were few in number until recently."

Is she right? Has God made men and women different? Does His Word clearly define the differences? Has the church been faithful to uphold His Word as our standard?

The episode concludes with a discussion of the feminization and bowdlerization of English translations of Scripture.

Also mentioned:

Carol Gilligan's In a Different Voice (1982)

Andrew Jackson, speaking of Marshall's opinion in Worcester v. Georgia: "He has made his decision; now let him enforce it."

Hemingway: "'How did you go bankrupt?' 'Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.'"

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.

Master of Divinity / Bachelor of Divinity
Certificate in Bible & Theology

Intro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.

Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc.

Links, in order of their mention on the podcast:

Helen Andrews, "The Great Feminization," Compact, October 16, 2025.

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.

Master of Divinity / Bachelor of Divinity
Certificate in Bible & Theology

Intro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.

Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc.

Links, in order of their mention on the podcast:

Kierkegaard parable Andrew cites: From the Journal: Empty Nutshells

Soren Kierkegaard, Attack Upon “Christendom” 1854-1855, translated with an introduction by Walter Lowrie, The Beacon Press, Boston, 1956. p. 156.

John Frame, "Machen’s Warrior Children" in Sung Wook Chung, ed., Alister E. McGrath and Evangelical Theology (Grand Rapids: Baker, 2003).

Norman Cohn, The Pursuit of the Millennium: Revolutionary Millenarians and Mystical Anarchists of the Middle Ages.

Rodney Stark, God's Battalions: The Case for the Crusades.

Jonathan Riley-Smith, The Crusades: A History. (Other histories of the Crusades by Riley-Smith.)

Augustine, Confessions. (Warhorn published an excellent short biography of Augustine by Dr. Josh Congrove titled Behold My Heart: The Life and Legacy of Augustine. Congrove has his doctorate in classics and he recommends the following translations of the Confessions: to those who want simple English, either Henry Chadwick or John Ryan; but the best translation remains F. J. Sheed.

Derek Thompson, "Everything Is Television: A theory of culture and attention."

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show.

Richard Baxter, Autobiography.

Richard Baxter, The Reformed Pastor.

Lewis Bayly, The Practice of Piety.

John Owen, D. D., A Discourse Concerning Evangelical Love, Church Peace, and Unity; With the Occasions and Reasons of Present Differences and Divisions about Things Sacred and Religious, (London: Doxman Newman, at the Kings-Armes in the Poultry, 1673).

Christopher Clark, The Sleepwalkers: How Europe Went to War in 1914.

Paul Johnson, Modern Times Revised Edition: The World from the Twenties to the Nineties.

Westminster Confession: Chapter XVII Of the Perseverance of the Saints | Chapter XVIII Of Assurance of Grace and Salvation

Westminster Larger Catechism: Of the Perseverance of the Saints and Of Assurance of Grace and Salvation

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.

Master of Divinity / Bachelor of Divinity
Certificate in Bible & Theology

Intro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.

Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc.

Tim, Jürgen, and Andrew address the following questions in light of the murder of Charlie Kirk last week:

Is Charlie Kirk a Christian martyr?
What should be the Christian's response to Charlie Kirk's murder?
Was Charlie Kirk's view of the 2nd Amendment righteous?
What has the betrayal of fatherhood got to do with Charlie Kirk?
What about Charlie Kirk's disposition made him what he was?
Should there be immediate repercussions for those who are celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder publicly?
Will the center hold in the United States?
In a state already given over to bloodshed, what can we expect next?

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.

Master of Divinity / Bachelor of Divinity
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Intro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.

Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc.

Tim, Andrew, and Jürgen cover various topics, including government subsidies for farming, the role of government in the economy, and the influence of political ideologies on institutions like the Federal Reserve and the CDC. The podcast also touches on the importance of trade for peace, the potential consequences of ending the Federal Reserve, and the need for independent institutions to prioritize the greater good. They’re taking a whack at this question: Can we trust the government?

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.

Master of Divinity / Bachelor of Divinity
Certificate in Bible & Theology

Intro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.

Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc.

 Key points from this episode:

• Factionalism in the Church: Acknowledging the presence of division within the church and its potential benefits as an “immune system,” while also expressing a desire to avoid unnecessary factionalism.

 • Historical Perspective on Holiness Movements: Discussing George Marsden’s book Fundamentalism and American Culture, which, among other things, explores holiness movements from the 1880s to the 1920s, highlighting the role of women in hymnology and the feminization of spirituality.

 • Navigating Conflict in Ministry: Addressing the complexities of conflict in ministry, emphasizing the need to distinguish between pugnaciousness and necessary battles, and urging wise and purposeful engagement in conflicts.

 • Ministry’s True Nature: Ministry is not about being helpful but about honoring God and protecting the flock, even if it means facing the disapproval of your elder board.

 • Conflict Resolution: Judging the value and fruit of conflict is difficult and often impossible until long after the conflict has resolved.

 • Leadership in Ministry: True leadership in ministry is not about seeking approval or building a following but about doing what pleases God and what is best for the sheep. This approach will bring conflict inexorably.

Other mentions:

Boswell's Life of Johnson

James Herriot's All Creatures Great and Small

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.

Master of Divinity / Bachelor of Divinity
Certificate in Bible & Theology

Intro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.

Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc.

Tim and Andrew discuss the ups and downs—pastorally and financially—of the church year.

Along the way, they cover the science of fasteners (nylok bolts and nuts), the death of expertise, quangos, creating a peaceful climate in a church to protect the sheep, disciplining the rich and the poor, dumpster diving, God's bountiful care for us, why pastors avoid addressing the world's calamities in the pastoral prayer or sermon (lack of compassion)...oh, and a brief mention of Epstein and the desire for justice.