The most powerful man today is the man who has the best case for being a victim. Young men intuitively know this reality and are thereby inclined to victimhood. In every narrative about their lives, they portray themselves as victims. Conversely, real manhood is about taking responsibility and being an agent—not a perpetual victim.

On the other hand, victimhood is not fake news. Some true victims need to unburden themselves to trusted and sympathetic church authorities. Real victims do not relentlessly broadcast their abuse—to do so would betray its seriousness.

And, what's your take on C.S. Lewis's That Hideous Strength? Tim and Andrew share their contrary views.

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.

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Halloween candy and rhubarb pie

Lithium batteries and Tesla fires

An AI podcast summary of Evangel Presbytery’s book, Abortion and the Church.

Twentieth-century growth in bloodshed

Worldwide population decline

Desensitized to life, death, and abortion

GoPro videos, movies, and bloodshed 

Men and war, women and childbirth

True and false prophets

Discernment and credulity

Roman Catholic popes and Evangelical celebrities

True job security for pastors

Pastors who tell the truth

Butchers and surgeons barred from juries

Wake Up, Sleeper: best music Andrew helped write and record 

Final shout-out to Michael and Lauren Buschbacher

Links:

• Evangel Presbytery, Abortion and the Church
• Foreign Affairs article, “The Age of Depopulation” (October 10, 2024)
• Christopher Clark, The Sleepwalkers: How Europe Went to War in 1914
• Norman Cohn, The Pursuit of the Millennium: Revolutionary Millenarians and Mystical Anarchists of the Middle Ages
• “Of Duties to Animals and Spirits,” Immanuel Kant, Lectures on Ethics
• CD titled, Wake Up, Sleeper; If you have Apple Music, just say “Hey Siri, play CD Wake Up Sleeper EP by Good Shepherd Band). Make sure you listen to the first four tracks, in order.

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.

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Groundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great Conversation

Intro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.

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From Pulitzer Center: “Germans Thought They Were Immune to Nationalism After Confronting Their Nazi Past. They Were Wrong”

Tim Bayly interviews Jürgen von Hagen on Christian nationalism, exploring its historical roots within the Lutheran Church during the Nazi regime. They discuss Toby Von Hagen’s (Jürgen’s son) thesis on the church's intertwining of theology and national identity, its subsequent alignment with nationalism, and the dangers of merging faith with political aspirations. The conversation highlights parallels with contemporary American Christian Nationalism and critiques the impact of political nationalism on faith and doctrine. Jürgen reflects on historical figures like Martin Niemöller and the complexities of academic integrity in the face of political correctness. They conclude by sharing personal insights about faith in relation to professional life and current moral dilemmas.

Chapters

0:05 Toby's Thesis

2:15 Church and State Dynamics

8:31 The American Perspective

11:45 The Rise of Christian Nationalism

16:18 The Barman Declaration

20:50 The World Economic Summit

23:52 Experts and Academics

30:28 Reflections on the Third Reich

36:12 The Role of the Church

40:49 Experiences in Leadership

43:16 Vice Rector Responsibilities

48:11 Diversity in Universities

50:22 Journey to Pastoral Leadership

57:13 Relationships and Reconciliation

1:01:30 Future Aspirations and Service

1:03:40 Final Thoughts and Friendship

Tags

Tim Bayly, Juergen Von Hagen, Christian nationalism, Lutheran Church, Nazi regime, theology, national identity, academic integrity, Martin Niemöller, political correctness, faith, professional life

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Pastors Tim and Juergen discuss the latter’s education in Germany and his move to the United States to teach economics at Indiana University’s (now named) Kelley School of Business. Juergen recounts how he and his wife, Ilsa, came to faith through the witness and compassion of members of Grace Covenant Presbyterian Church (PCA).

The discussion then turns to the discipline of economics, Juergen’s working relationships with various financial institutions, the fiscal crises of European nations, the harm done to Russia by American economists, and Juergen’s early experiences with online education at IU—all back in the nineties. 

Today, there is a near-monopoly of online education for earning an MBA at Kelley. Tim and Juegen discuss the difference between in-person and online education for undergrad as opposed to grad students, the utility of community colleges, the shrinking enrollment at IU caused by demographics and the change in our foreign relations with China, and the growing proportion of women (as opposed to men) enrolled in institutions of higher education and professional schools today.

They end with a lengthy discussion of things parents and their sons and daughters should consider in choosing a college, ending with the limitations and benefits of small and big, and Christian and secular, colleges and universities.
 

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

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Intro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.

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Around 1980, people around the world began speaking of "human flourishing." In 2000, the frequency of the phrase's use in media flourished exponentially. Be suspicious of new words and phrases taking the world by storm. As Chesterton said, before you take a fence down you must determine why it was erected in the first place. New words and phrases often arise to replace and relegate truths that are no longer deemed to be kind or helpful.

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We mention Tim Keller’s statement about “human flourishing."

We also mention Tim Keller’s response to Covenant Theological Seminary students’ questioning whether he preaches against homosexuality.

Andrew mentions a section of The Screwtape Letters.

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.

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Groundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great Conversation

Intro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.

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Pastor Tim and Andrew reflect on one of the significant reset points in our year: the beginning of the new school year.

The free-ranging discussion includes the following topics:

• How do you send your children off in the morning?
• The utility of school uniforms
• How to remove some decisions from your day because they drain your battery
• Avoid parenting books that guilt-trip you into conformity to the "perfect" system
• Avoid comparing yourself to others in a competitive mode
• Child-rearing fads
• As your children age, everything becomes more serious
• Be conscientious about the friends of your children
• Who do your children look up to and want approval from?
• What are your priorities as a parent?

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.

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Groundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great Conversation

Intro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.

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We have failed to teach our children and our culture the creation mandates: "God blessed them; and God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth'" (Gen. 1:28).

We need to restore the faith that believes God's commands, particularly His creation mandates regarding fruitfulness, are for all ages, for man's good, and His glory.

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.

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In this episode, Pastor Tim Bayly is joined by his son, Joseph (Senior Pastor at Christ Church in Cincinnati), and son-in-law, Lucas Weeks (College and Administrative Pastor at Trinity Reformed Church in Bloomington, IN) to discuss parenting.

We often think that our parenting is a failure if we have to resort to authority. That attitude is foolishness and an abandonment of God's rules for parenting. Our fears and modern psychologists have trained us to believe that authority is antithetical to having your child's heart. We must be reminded that if we intend to hold on to our children, obedience to God is the only way. 

No one would deny that mothers and fathers have duties regarding their children, but many are willing to dispute that children have duties regarding their parents. Parents ought to serve and love their children, but also children ought to serve and love their parents. 

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Mentions during the show:

First, the podcast starts out talking about this book: 

Hold On to Your Kids: Why Parents Need to Matter More Than Peers

by Gordon Neufeld and Gabor Maté

Second, we mention this book:

Shepherding a Child’s Heart

by Ted Tripp

Third, I read from this book:

The Thing (the chapter I read from is titled, “The Drift from Domesticity”)

by G. K. Chesterton

Joseph mentioned:

Technopoly: The Surrender of Culture to Technology

By Neil Postman

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.

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Groundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great Conversation

Intro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.

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History changes very quickly. Read the book of Esther. We've witnessed numerous surprising and sobering changes in the past two weeks.

The performance of President Biden during the debate makes us question who allowed for (or orchestrated) such a sad spectacle. What if an assassin's bullet had killed former President Trump? What effect will this event have on his soul?

Mentioned in the episode: Donald Trump was being interviewed, and asked what he thought about death—whether he was worried about it—he responded: “No. I'm fatalistic and I protect myself as well as anybody can. I prepare for things. But ultimately we all end up going. No. I don't believe in reincarnation, heaven, or hell—but we go someplace. Do you know, I cannot, for the life of me, figure out where.” (Chicago Tribune, March 12, 1989, page 10, Section 5)

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.

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Groundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great Conversation

Intro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.

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It must be understood that the Christian faith is never owned by any king or any party. A constant temptation of Christians is to be programmed by personalities. Rather than taking cheap, easy, stupid, and faithless shortcuts, we ought to be taught how to think. Primarily and tragically, we forget the doctrine of the sinfulness of all men (even our heroes) and the doctrine of the Fall. Learn in this episode what it means to think as a Christian, not as a partisan.

The episode ends with a brief return to answer a question from a previous episode on money.

Harry Blamires' The Christian Mind: How Should A Christian Think?

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Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.

Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.

Master of Divinity
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Certificate in Bible & Theology
Groundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great Conversation

Intro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.

Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc.