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This week, the hosts welcome Hannah Ritchie, Deputy Editor at Our World in Data and a Senior Researcher at the University of Oxford as our guest and discuss her book ‘Not the End of the World, How We Can Be the First Generation to Build a Sustainable Planet’.  

In this compelling episode, join the hosts and special guest Hannah as they delve into the intricate dynamics of data, cautious optimism, and doom narratives within the climate community. Don't miss out as we explore the crucial role these elements play in shaping perspectives and driving action. Plus, Hannah treats us to an insightful reading from her remarkable work, offering a poignant addition to our discussion. Tune in for a thought-provoking dialogue you won't want to miss!

Music comes from Fran Lusty with her pop-folk ballad ‘I Hate My Job’. Fran is an Indie-folk singer-songwriter born in Cambridge with Norwegian roots, see her pages below to listen to more of her soul-stirring nature inspired songs.

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Hannah Ritchie, Deputy Editor at Our World in Data and a Senior Researcher at the University of Oxford Sustainability by numbers | Our World in Data | Twitter (X)

You can buy her book here: Not the End of the World, How We Can Be the First Generation to Build a Sustainable Planet

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Fran Lusty

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People of the State of California v. Big Oil / The text of the lawsuit is here

Our Story of Nature, Deep Dive Series Website

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This week, our hosts are rejoined by the incredible Isabel Cavelier Adarve. Tune in to hear them answer some of the brilliant questions listeners sent in following Christiana’s and Isa’s launch of their masterful recent mini-series, Our Story of Nature: From Rupture to Reconnection. Christiana, Isabel, Tom and Paul muse on an intriguing range of questions from ‘how to teach citizens and governments about nature’ to ‘could bioliteracy transform things’? The hosts dive deep into philosophical questions about the role of religion, and more prosaic ones about supermarket food. They propose that it is possible, if we want, to sustain, and improve our relationships with nature wherever we are, whether in the heart of the city, or deep in the forest. Also, Tom tries to read out a question in Spanish and threatens to mastermind a presidential bid on behalf of Christiana! NOTES AND RESOURCES Isabel Cavelier Adarve, Co-Founder of Mundo Comun LinkedIn | Twitter Links to Our Story of Nature episodes: Our Story of Nature - From Rupture to Reconnection - Episode 1 Our Story of Nature - From Rupture to Reconnection - Episode 2 Our Story of Nature - From Rupture to Reconnection - Episode 3

Our Story of Nature Intro Music - Catalina by Tru Genesis

More on Xiye Bastida who features in the show.

Paul’s Book Recommendation - Small is Beautiful by E.F. Schumacher

The full, unedited interviews from the mini-series can be found HERE

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This week, we bring you a US democracy special, discussing Joe Biden’s energetic State of the Union Address in which climate action played a significant role, and also the new guidelines from the Securities and Exchange Commission, a move which has seen the Commission attract a slew of legal challenges from both sides of the climate divide. The hosts ask: can Biden’s campaign for presidency in 2024 unite the partisan divide around climate change and if not, how can we protect the progress that the IRA has already made in the US in the face of a Trump victory? 

To help us unpack all of this, we have the force of nature and great friend of the podcast, Gina McCarthy, former White House National Climate Advisor and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Administrator. Today, Gina is a Senior Advisor at Bloomberg Philanthropies, the Managing Co-Chair of the America Is All In Coalition, and a Senior Fellow at The Fletcher School’s Climate Policy Lab at Tufts University. She is also an Operating Advisor at Pegasus Capital Advisors and a Senior Advisor at TPG Rise Climate Fund. She serves as co-chair of the India-U.S. Track II Dialogue on Energy and Climate Change, and on the Board of Directors for the Energy Foundation and the Resources Legacy Foundation.

Music this week comes from James Hastings with his beautiful song ‘Mother’. James is a singer-songwriter whose unique brand of eco-conscious alt-folk conjures up wild, earthy textures enfolded in ethereal, electronic landscapes.

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Gina McCarthy, former White House National Climate Advisor and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Website 

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James Hastings

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Get ready to celebrate International Women's Day with Tom and Christiana on Outrage + Optimism! We're discussing the fallout from Super Tuesday and the uphill battle for female parliamentary leadership. Plus, don't miss our exclusive interview with the incredible Gaia van der Esch! Tune in for insights, inspiration, and empowerment!

Gaia van der Esch, is an executive in the non-profit and public sectors, a policy expert and author, and we discuss her book, "Leading Our Way: How Women Are Re-Defining Leadership". She is currently the Managing Director of a large international foundation working across 40+ countries to build a world with zero exclusion, zero carbon and zero poverty. 

Laura Lucas closes this week's episode with her beautiful song, ‘The Sun Touches Everything’. Laura’s introspective songwriting is delivered by delicate vocals and dreamy instrumentation rooted in a warm, modern take on the indie-folk genre.

And remember, if you'd like to be part of our miniseries, Our Story Of Nature, Christiana and Isabel will be answering your questions in a special episode on Thursday 21 March. Submit your questions now by emailing [email protected] with 'Audience Q&A' in the subject line. You can send your question in writing or as a video or voice note.

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Gaia van der Esch, CEO, Author of "Leading Our Way", Policy Expert Website | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn 

Leading Our Way: How Women are Re-Defining Leadership, also available on Amazon 

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Laura Lucas

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Submit your question for Christiana +  Isa’s Q+A here

Check out Climate Clock's Gender Parity Lifeline  which tracks the global averages of women in all national parliaments. 

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This week, our hosts discuss the global farmers’ protests, what's behind them, how they are being co-opted by right leaning populist parties as an ‘anti-net zero’ rhetoric and what needs to be done to support both farmers and the planet to thrive. Given how essential food production and distribution is to our survival, this is an issue that needs our full attention and global cooperation!

Music comes from Olivia Fern with her beautiful song ‘Calling Us Home’. Based in amongst the wild natural beauty of the Lake District National Park in north west England, Olivia’s music is deeply rooted in her connection to the living earth.

Did our miniseries Our Story Of Nature spark any questions or thoughts for you? We’d love to hear how your relationship with nature has changed over your lifetime, or what impact you think an individual’s relationship with nature has on our global systems, for example. Or if you'd like to ask Christiana Figueres and Isabel Cavelier Adarve about anything covered (or perhaps something you think should have been covered) in the series, this is your chance. Email [email protected] with 'Audience Q&A' in the subject line. You can send your question in writing or as a video or voice note. Tune in for the answers in discussion with Christiana and Isabel on Thursday 14th March.

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Olivia Fern

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1.5C degrees is back in the news again as the recent Copernicus report reported that the world had exceeded this politically agreed temperature limit for the majority of 2023. But what does this mean? Do we abandon this target and set a new one? Is it still useful to use this as our north star in tackling the effects of man-made climate change? Is now the right time to start a serious conversation about geo-engineering? Join Christiana, Tom and Paul as they grapple with these difficult questions and their wider implications.

Our guest this week is Dr. Michael E. Mann, Presidential Distinguished Professor of Earth & Environmental Science, and Director of the Penn Center for Science, Sustainability and the Media (PCSSM) at the University of Pennsylvania. He lends us his expertise to discuss the liabilities and implications of breaching the 1.5 degree ceiling, and what his latest legal victory means for the ‘war on science’.

Music comes from Luke Wallace with his song ‘Comeback’. Luke is a songwriter, speaker, choral arranger and environmental champion from the Coast Salish Territory known as Vancouver, Canada.

NOTES AND RESOURCES

The O+O episode with Elizabeth Kolbert where we discuss the possible implications of Geo-Engineering explored in her book ‘Under A White Sky’ can be found here.

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Dr. Michael E. Mann, Presidential Distinguished Professor of Earth & Environmental Science, and Director of the Penn Center for Science, Sustainability and the Media (PCSSM) at the University of Pennsylvania Website | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn | YouTube

Check out Dr. Mann’s new book, ‘Our Fragile Moment: How Lessons from Earth's Past Can Help Us Survive the Climate Crisis’

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Luke Wallace Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube

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This week, Christiana Figueres and her guest co-host Isabel Cavelier Adarve introduce the third and final episode in their mini-series, Our Story of Nature: From Rupture to Reconnection.

In this episode, Living As Nature, co-hosts and a stellar cast of guests use the pandemic as their jumping off point to unpack how a moment of physical separation, from each other and the natural world, became a strange chrysalis to stronger and deeper interconnections. 

Contributors from across many religious and spiritual traditions, including Bayo Akomolafe, public intellectual,  and Sister True Dedication,Zen Buddhist monastic teacher  join Christiana and Isabel to discuss how developing a sense of reverence and responsibility for the Earth leads to both personal and systemic transformation. 

They ask: how can our unprecedented ecological and social crises become an opportunity for the foundation of a new way of relating to each other and to nature? How can we move away from living from nature to living as nature, so that we can grow and flourish? 

This episode is part of a series that shines a new light on humanity’s fundamental relationship with the rest of nature as key to responding to the climate crisis and to transitioning into a regenerative future. 

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Xiye Bastida, Co-Founder Re-Earth Initiative, Indigenous Wisdom, TIME100Next, UN HLC Ambassador, TED Speaker Website | LinkedIn | Twitter | Instagram | TED 

Janine Benyus, Co-Founder Biomimicry 3.8 and Biomimicry Institute Biomimicry Institute | LinkedIn | Twitter 

Dr. Lyla June Johnston, Indigenous musician, author, and community organizer of Diné (Navajo), Tsétsêhéstâhese (Cheyenne) and European lineages Website | YouTube | Instagram | Facebook

Dr. Bayo Akomolafe, Public Intellectual, Author, Professor and Chief Curator, The Emergence Network Website | Course webpage | LinkedIn | Facebook

Sister True Dedication, Zen Buddhist monastic teacher in Thich Nhat Hanh's Plum Village Community

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Plum Village

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Krista Tippett, award-winning journalist, author and host of On Being podcast

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Arturo Escobar, Professor Emeritus of Anthropology

Wolf Martinez, Diné, Lakota, & Spanish. Two Spirit. Speaker, Ceremonialist and practitioner of Ancient Healing Arts. Therapist. Lover. Human Being. LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook

Kate Raworth, Author of Doughnut Economics and Co-founder of Doughnut Economics Action Lab

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Dr. Gunhild Anker Stordalen, Founder and Executive Chair of EAT Foundation

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This week, Christiana Figueres and her guest co-host Isabel Cavelier Adarve introduce the second episode in their mini-series, Our Story of Nature: From Rupture to Reconnection. 

In this episode, Living With Nature, the hosts share a series of conversations with experts from the worlds of food, the economy, energy and design to illuminate how our man-made systems are rooted in a separation from the natural world. You’ll hear insight and fresh ideas from author Kate Raworth, Founder and Executive Chair, EAT Gunhild Stordalen, energy strategist at Rocky Mountain Institute Kingsmill Bond, author of the Earth Transformed: An Untold History, Peter Frankopan and co-founder of Biomimicry, Janine Benyus.

With appropriate outrage, Christiana and guests will explore how the climate crisis, the energy crisis, the inequality crisis and the food crisis all share the same deep root: extractivism based on extrinsic principles. They argue that this extractivism not only depletes the planet—the very soil of the Earth itself—it also depletes our human soul. 

With characteristic and bold optimism, Christiana, Isabel and guests will argue that if we can overthrow the tyranny of GDP, invest in harvesting rather than in extraction, and if we design our world mimicking nature’s genius, we might yet create a future where humans and nature thrive in balance.

This episode is part of a series that shines a new light on humanity’s fundamental relationship with the rest of nature as key to responding to the climate crisis and to transitioning into a regenerative future. 

Do not miss the third and final episode, Living As Nature, in which Christiana and Isabel invite listeners to contemplate what it will take for each of us to fully awaken to our interconnectedness as, perhaps, the starting point - the foundational stone - without which no new home can be built for a truly regenerative future. 

Please don’t forget to let us know what you think here, and / or by contacting us on our social media channels or via the website. 

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Arturo Escobar, Professor Emeritus of Anthropology

Kate Raworth, Author of Doughnut Economics and Co-founder of Doughnut Economics Action Lab

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Krista Tippett, award-winning journalist, author and host of On Being podcast Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook

Dr. Gunhild Anker Stordalen, Founder and Executive Chair of EAT Foundation

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Kingsmill Bond, Energy Strategist at RMI

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Janine Benyus, Co-Founder Biomimicry 3.8 and Biomimicry Institute Biomimicry Institute | LinkedIn | Twitter 

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This week, Christiana Figueres introduces a new mini-series, Our Story of Nature: From Rupture to Reconnection. Over three episodes, Christiana and guests will shine a light on our relationship with the rest of nature. Does transforming our connection with the natural world hold the key to transforming our response to the multiple environmental, political and social crises we face? 

Christiana’s accompanied on this journey by co-host Isabel Cavelier Adarve. Isabel is a former negotiator for Colombia and co-founder of Mundo Comun. 

In Episode 1, Living From Nature, Christiana, Isabel and guests delve deep into the roots of humanity’s separation from nature. They explore moments where cracks may have appeared and widened, including the advent of farming and a particular interpretation of the Book of Genesis. How have certain ideas shaped different cultures’ relationships with the natural world, and what are their consequences? Is our distance from nature related to other forms of separation, like colonialism?  How can we nurture and narrate new stories of our relationship with nature to address 21st Century problems?

The best and brightest minds from around the globe contribute to Our Story of Nature, including Peter Frankopan author of the Earth Transformed: An Untold History; Janine Benyus, co-founder of Biomimicry 3.8; Dr Lyla June Johnston, indigenous musician and community organiser;  Krista Tippett, award-winning journalist and author Reverend Doctor Augusto Zampini Davies, former adjunct Secretary of the Vatican Dicastery for the Service of Integral Human Development ; Wolf Martinez, Traditional Medicine Person, Guardian and Keeper of the old indigenous ways; Arturo Escobar Professor Emeritus of Anthropology and Xiye Bastida the co-founder of Re-Earth Initiative. 

Once listeners have heard about the roots of our rupture from nature, tune in for the second episode of the series - Living With Nature. A stellar cast of experts will join Christiana to explore how our current systems - food, economy, energy, design - have been built on a mindset of extraction and separation. With characteristic optimism, they will give us a glimpse into how these systems, in many places, are planting the seeds for a more regenerative future. 

The third and final episode, Living as Nature, is where the science of awe meets spirituality.  Christiana and Isabel invite listeners to contemplate what it will take for each of us to fully awaken to our interconnectedness as the starting point - the foundational stone - without which no new home can be built for a truly regenerative future. 

Please don’t forget to let us know what you think here, and / or by contacting us on our social media channels or via the website. 

NOTES AND RESOURCES

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Peter Frankopan, Professor of Global History at Oxford University Website | Twitter | LinkedIn

Janine Benyus, Co-Founder Biomimicry 3.8 and Biomimicry Institute Biomimicry Institute | LinkedIn | Twitter 

Krista Tippett, award-winning journalist, author and host of On Being podcast Website | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook

Reverend Doctor Augusto Zampini Davies

LinkedIn | Laudato Si Platform | Laudato Si Movement | Laudato Si Research Institute, University of Oxford | The encyclical Laudato Si | European Climate Foundation

Arturo Escobar, Professor Emeritus of Anthropology

Xiye Bastida, Co-Founder Re-Earth Initiative, Indigenous Wisdom, TIME100Next, UN HLC Ambassador, TED Speaker Website | LinkedIn | Twitter | Instagram | TED 

Dr. Lyla June Johnston, Indigenous musician, author, and community organizer of Diné (Navajo), Tsétsêhéstâhese (Cheyenne) and European lineages Website | YouTube | Instagram | Facebook

Wolf Martinez, Diné, Lakota, & Spanish. Two Spirit. Speaker, Ceremonialist and practitioner of Ancient Healing Arts. Therapist. Lover. Human Being. LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook

Sister True Dedication, Zen Buddhist monastic teacher in Thich Nhat Hanh's Plum Village Community

Twitter | Instagram

Plum Village

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Dr. Bayo Akomolafe, Public Intellectual, Author, Professor and Chief Curator, The Emergence Network Website | Course webpage | LinkedIn | Facebook

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Welcome back to Outrage + Optimism! Season 9 starts here… Our hosts - Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson - are back in conversation, sharing expertise, insights and camaraderie at the outset of the biggest election year in history with more voters than ever heading to the polls globally. Tune in as we explore what on earth does this all have to do with climate change?

The three hosts also discuss Christiana Figueres and co-host Isabel Cavelier’s mini-series ‘Our Story of Nature’. Over three episodes, they deep dive into how the ecological crisis - and the many crises we find ourselves in - have their roots in the fact that, by and large, over time, many of us have become disconnected from the rest of nature. This heartfelt inquiry into our relationship with nature has been months in the making. It includes conversations with many insightful guests, including Arturo Escobar, Xiye Bastida, Dr. Bayo Akomolafe, Kate Raworth and Sister True Dedication. 

Music comes from Wyldest and her beautiful song ‘Easier to Believe’. Wyldest is the artist project of London-based multi-instrumentalist and producer, Zoë Mead.

NOTES AND RESOURCES

Democracy by Margaret Atwood | Democracy 2024

Costa Rica: Civil War – The Rest Is History

Paul’s Book Recommendation: ‘Short Circuiting Policy’

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Wyldest Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Bandcamp | Mailing List

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