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  • Meet the meatfluencers

    Shirtless influencers on TikTok and Instagram have acquired millions of followers promoting the carnivore diet. They say studies linking meat consumption and heart disease are flawed — and plant foods are making people sick. "Western medicine is lying to you," says content-creator Dr. Paul Saladino, who co-owns a company selling desiccated cattle organs.

    The online popularity of the carnivore diet is undeniable. Yet, no controlled studies have been published confirming its advertised benefits. 

    Our friends at WBUR’s podcast Endless Thread look at how social media cooked up the anti-establishment wellness trend.

     

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    LINKS

    • "Red Shift" (The New Yorker)
    • "The 'You’re doing it wrong'-ification of TikTok" (Vox)
    • "The Evolution of Diet" (National Geographic)
    • "Your Questions About Food and Climate Change, Answered" (New York Times)
    • "Against Meatposting" (Heated)
    • Endless Thread's unedited interview with Dr. Paul Saladino (WBUR)
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    • CREDITS

      Outside/In Host: Nate Hegyi

      Outside/In Executive producer: Taylor Quimby

      Rebecca Lavoie is NHPR’s Director of On-Demand Audio

      This episode of Endless Thread was written and produced by Dean Russell and Ben Brock Johnson. 

      Mix and sound design by Emily Jankowski.

      Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio

      Endless Thread is a production of WBUR in Boston. 

      Submit a question to the “Outside/Inbox.” We answer queries about the natural world, climate change, sustainability, and human evolution. You can send a voice memo to [email protected] or leave a message on our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (844-466-8837).

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      58 min
    • Reefer madness, the CBD bubble, and the future of hemp

      Hemp used to be a staple of life in America. King James I demanded that colonists produce it. Hemp rope and fabric were ubiquitous throughout the 18th and 19th centuries. The USDA even produced a WWII newsreel called “Hemp for Victory.”

      But other materials came to replace hemp – wood pulp for paper, and cotton and synthetics for fabric. Why?

      For that matter, what is hemp? Is it different from weed? And does it actually have 25,000 uses as its proponents claim?

      Featuring Hector “Freedom” Gerardo, David Suchoff, John Fike, and Danny Desjarlais.

       

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      Learn more about how the Lower Sioux Indian Reservation has worked with hempcrete, and how they hope it’ll transform their economy (Grist).

      The 2018 Farm Bill inadvertently led to a multibillion-dollar market of hemp-derived THC products. Twenty-two AGs are now calling on congress to fix the legal loophole that has “[forced] cannabis-equivalent products into our economies regardless of states’ intentions to legalize cannabis use.” (The Hill)

      Cannabis sativa in the US only came to be called “marijuana” in the early 1900s, when the anti-cannabis movement wanted to link it to its “Mexican-ness.” But, as The Mysterious History Of 'Marijuana' (NPR Code Switch) explains, the etymological origins of “marijuana” are still debated: does it come from the Chinese word ma ren hua? Or the Bantu word for cannabis: ma-kaña? Or something else?

      Hemp for Victory! (YouTube)

       

      CREDITS

      Host: Nate Hegyi

      Reported, mixed, and produced by Felix Poon.

      Editing by Taylor Quimby, with help from Rebecca Lavoie

      Our staff includes Justine Paradis.

      Executive producer: Taylor Quimby

      Rebecca Lavoie is NHPR’s Director of On-Demand Audio.

      Special thanks to Fitsum Tariku, Director of the Building Science Centre of Excellence.

      Music by Blue Dot Sessions, Mike Franklyn, Jules Gaia, Dusty Decks, and Rocket Jr.

      Our theme music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

      Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio

      Submit a question to the “Outside/Inbox.” We answer queries about the natural world, climate change, sustainability, and human evolution. You can send a voice memo to [email protected] or leave a message on our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (844-466-8837).

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      30 min
    • Songbird accents, eating rats, and why we need the moon

      It’s that special time again! Scientists everywhere hold their breath as the team opens the Outside/Inbox and answers listener questions about the natural world. In this episode, we consider Flaco the Eurasian eagle owl, an impulsive goat purchase, and a big night for salamanders. Plus, we’re graced with Nate’s rendition of a Tom Waits song. 

      Questions:

      1. What would NYC look like in 50 years if humans disappeared?
      2. What if the earth had no moon?
      3. Could humans survive a worst-case climate scenario?
      4. Do birds have regional accents?
      5. How do we keep wildlife safe when crossing the road?
      6. Featuring Stephon Alexander, Luke Kemp, Chris Sturdy, and Sandi Houghton.

         

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        LINKS

        Check out these gorgeous visualizations created by the Mannahatta Project, which has since been renamed the Welikia Project.

        Flaco the Eurasian eagle owl died after crashing into a building earlier this month. His autopsy revealed his body to be riddled with rodenticide and pigeon herpes, cementing his status as “a real New Yorker” for some observers. Still, building collisions, rat poison, and disease are all major risks for birds of prey in urban environments.

         

        CREDITS

        Outside/In host: Nate Hegyi

        Reported and produced by Felix Poon, Taylor Quimby, and Justine Paradis 

        Mixed by Justine Paradis

        Edited by Taylor Quimby and Rebecca Lavoie

        NHPR’s Director of Podcasts is Rebecca Lavoie

        Music by blacksona, Katori Walker, Bisou, Young Community, Diamond Ortiz, Brightarm Orchestra, Kevin MacLeod, Tellsonic, Walt Adams, and ProleteR. 

        Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio.

         

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        36 min
      7. In search of an ethical 401k

        To save for retirement, common knowledge says to “diversify your portfolio.” Give your cash to a company so they can invest it into hundreds of other companies on the stock market. But unless you’ve gone out of your way to change it, your portfolio probably has little to do with your values. 

        For example, there are climate activists invested in fossil fuel companies. Staunch vegans putting some of their hard-earned income into Tyson Foods. On the flip side, there are climate deniers with money in Tesla!

        So is there a way to save for retirement that’s both good for your pocketbook… and good for the planet?

        Featuring: Timothy Yee, Clara Vondrich, Kelly Shue

         

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        Divestment helped reduce greenhouse gas emissions from the coal industry, according to this white paper from the Harvard Business School. However, divestment can also backfire, according to this study from Yale. 

        Got a lot of time to kill? You can watch the recent SEC commissioner meeting where they voted to pass a weakened version of the climate disclosure rule. 

         

        CREDITS

        Host: Nate Hegyi

        Reported and produced by Nate Hegyi

        Mixed by Nate Hegyi and Taylor Quimby

        Editing by Taylor Quimby

        Our staff includes Justine Paradis and Felix Poon 

        Executive producer: Taylor Quimby

        Rebecca Lavoie is NHPR’s Director of On-Demand Audio

        Music by Blue Dot Sessions

        Our theme music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

        Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio

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        28 min
      8. The story you won’t hear in Christopher Nolan’s “Oppenheimer”

        Editor's Note: This episode first aired in July, 2023

        With 'Oppenheimer,' director Christopher Nolan turned the Manhattan Project into an Academy-Award-winning blockbuster. The film is set in Los Alamos, where the first atomic bomb was tested. But few people know the history of Carrizozo, a rural farming area downwind of the test.

        Radioactive fallout from the bomb settled on everything: the soil, gardens, and drinking water. Cow’s milk became radioactive. Later, hundreds of people developed radiogenic cancers. 

        The people of Carrizozo were among the first people in the world exposed to a nuclear blast. More than 75 years later, their families are still fighting for medical compensation from the federal government.

        Host Nate Hegyi traveled to New Mexico to visit the Trinity Site, and to hear the stories of so-called ‘downwinders.'

        Featuring: Paul Pino, Tina Cordova, Ben Ray Lujan

         

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        LINKS

        Read more about RECA (the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act) which passed in the U.S. Senate this March.  (Idaho Capital Sun)

        The federal government has produced a few studies on the fallout from Trinity. This one from Los Alamos found that there was still contamination in the area in 1985. 

        Another, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, produced one of the most in-depth histories of the fallout from Trinity and the government’s reaction.

        The National Cancer Institute found that hundreds of people likely developed cancer because of the fallout. 

        The history of Trinity is full of strange little details, like the desert toads that were croaking all night. 

        You can find affidavits and first-hand accounts of the fallout from Trinity at the Tularosa Basin Downwinders Consortium website. 

        This review by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists explains why it’s so hard to determine a definitive death toll for the USI bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WWII. 

         

        CREDITS

        Host: Nate Hegyi

        Reported and produced by Nate Hegyi

        Edited by Taylor Quimby

        Editing help from Rebecca Lavoie, Justine Paradis, Felix Poon, and Jeongyoon Han

        Rebecca Lavoie is our Executive Producer

        Music for this episode by Blue Dot Sessions

        Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio

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        39 min
      9. You can make kids hike, but you can’t make them hikers

        If you grew up with family members who pushed (or dragged) you onto the trail, chances are you have strong memories associated with hiking. Epic vistas… swarms of black flies… and your dad’s terrible homemade gorp. 

        Whether you grow up to see them as personal triumphs or family fiascos, those early adventures can shape your perception of the outdoors for life.
        Can parents shape kids into hardcore hikers? And what happens when your best-laid plans go off the map?

        Featuring Sarah Lamagna, Nick Capodice, Daisy Curtin, Niles Lashway, Sarah Raiche, Tiffany Raiche, and Phineas Quimby

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        If you liked Sarah Lamagna’s tips on how to hike with children, you’ll find more in her recently published guidebook. 

         

        CREDITS

        Host: Nate Hegyi

        Reported, produced, and mixed by Taylor Quimby

        Edited by Rebecca Lavoie

        Our staff includes Justine Paradis and Felix Poon.

        Executive producer: Taylor Quimby

        Rebecca Lavoie is NHPR’s Director of On-Demand Audio

        Music by Blue Dot Sessions, The New Fools, and SINY. 

        Our theme music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

        Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio

        Submit a question to the “Outside/Inbox.” We answer queries about the natural world, climate change, sustainability, and human evolution. You can send a voice memo to [email protected] or leave a message on our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (844-466-8837).

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        39 min
      10. The disappearing dunes of 'Dune'

        A century ago, coastal dunes threatened to overwhelm the city of Florence, Oregon. The sand swallowed roads, highways, and houses. When “Dune” author Frank Herbert visited the area in 1957, he was stunned by the awesome power of the sand. Eventually, it inspired his fictional desert planet, Arrakis.

        But now, the dunes that inspired “Dune” are disappearing. 

        To solve the sand problem, the US Forest Service planted dunes with non-native beachgrass, hoping its strong roots would keep the dunes in place. The strategy worked… too well. The grass spread, out-competing native species and transforming the dunes. At one popular spot, roughly 60% of what was once open sand is now gone.

        Producer Justine Paradis traveled to the Oregon Coast to see the mountains of sand which inspired a sci-fi classic, and meet the people working to save them.

        Featuring Dina Pavlis, Patty Whereat Phillips, and Jesse Beers.

         

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        These aerial photos demonstrate the dramatic changes in the Oregon dunes since 1941.

        Dina Pavlis’ Secrets of the Oregon Dunes Facebook page

        The Oregon dunes are the setting of an episode of “Lassie” (1964), in which a little girl gets lost in a sand storm. New hires at the Forest Service in Florence are shown this film during orientation.

        The Siuslaw Public Library in Florence is home to the eclectic Frank Herbert collection, as reported by Oregon Public Broadcasting. These are books donated by Herbert’s daughter which he was reading at the time he wrote ‘Dune,’ and are available to the public. Fans make the pilgrimage to browse the collection, which includes titles on the desert, politics in the Middle East, computation, Scottish folk singing, rug hooking, and much more.

        Frank Herbert originally visited Florence to research a proposed magazine article on the Forest Service’s dune, as reported on the Siuslaw News. His (unsuccessful) proposal, “They Stopped the Moving Sands,” can be read in “The Road to Dune.”

        An episode of Endless Thread about the time a six-year-old boy fell into a tree hole (he’s fine now) in Michigan City, Indiana.

         

        CREDITS

        Outside/In host: Nate Hegyi

        Reported, produced, and mixed by Justine Paradis 

        Edited by Taylor Quimby and Katie Colaneri

        Our team also includes Felix Poon. 

        NHPR’s Director of Podcasts is Rebecca Lavoie

        Special thanks to Meg Spencer, Kegen Benson, Armand Rebischke, and Kevin Mittge. 

        Music by Sarah the Illstrumentalist, Elm Lake, Chris Zabriskie, and Blue Dot Sessions.

        Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio.

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        37 min
      11. Hunters do cry

        In the Catskill Mountains of upstate New York, dozens of strangers gathered together in the woods for three straight days. Their mission? Teach people of color how to kill, gut, and butcher a deer for the first time.

        Producer Felix Poon was there as a first-time hunter. He wanted to know: what does it feel like to take an animal's life to sustain your own? Given the opportunity… would he pull the trigger?

        In this episode we follow Felix out of his depth and into the woods, to find out if one weekend can convert a longtime city-dweller into a dedicated deer hunter.

        Featuring Dorothy Ren, Brandon Dale, and Brant MacDuff.

         

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        LINKS

        Lydia Parker, executive director of Hunters of Color, discusses how to make the outdoors more equitable. (The Nature Conservancy)

        Melissa Harris-Perry talks to Brandon Dale, the New York ambassador for the Hunters of Color organization, on WNYC’s The Takeaway.

        CREDITS

        Host: Nate Hegyi

        Reported, produced, and mixed by Felix Poon

        Edited by Taylor Quimby, with help from Rebecca Lavoie.

        Our staff also includes Justine Paradis

        Taylor Quimby is our Executive Producer

        Rebecca Lavoie is NHPR’s Director of On-Demand Audio.

        Music for this episode by Blue Dot Sessions, Hanna Lindgren, and Walt Adams.

        Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio

        Submit a question to the “Outside/Inbox.” We answer queries about the natural world, climate change, sustainability, and human evolution. You can send a voice memo to [email protected] or leave a message on our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (844-466-8837).

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        41 min
      12. What's the most successful species on Earth?

        Editor's note: This episode was first published in July, 2022.

        Humans have had an impressive run thus far; we’ve explored most of the planet (the parts that aren’t underwater anyway), landed on the moon, created art and music, and made some pretty entertaining Tik Toks. 

        But we’ve survived on the planet for just a fraction of the time horseshoe crabs and alligators have. And we’re vastly outnumbered by many species of bacteria and insects. 

        So what is the most successful species on Earth? And how do you measure that, anyway? 

        From longevity and happiness, to sheer numbers, we put a handful of different organisms under the microscope in hopes of better understanding what exactly it means to succeed at life on a collective and individual scale.   

        Featuring: Stephen Giovannoni, Rashidah Farid, and Steward Pickett

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        Check out Stephen Giovannoni’s paper: “SAR11 Bacteria: The Most Abundant Plankton in the Oceans”

        An interesting treatise on adaptability: “Why crocodiles still look the same as they did 200 million years ago”

        From the NSF: “The most common organism in the oceans harbors a virus in its DNA”

        More food for thought: “The non-human living inside you"

         

        CREDITS

        Host: Nate Hegyi

        Reported and produced by: Taylor Quimby

        Editing by: Nate Hegyi, Rebecca Lavoie

        Additional editing help from Justine Paradis, Felix Poon, and Jessica Hunt. 

        Rebecca Lavoie is our Executive Producer

        Special thanks to everybody who answered our question at the top of the show: Josemar Ochoa, m Carey Grant, Butter Wilson, Tim Blagden, Robert Baker, Sheila Rydel, and Bob Beaulac.

        Music for this episode by Blue Dot Sessions, and Jules Gaia

        Our theme music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

        Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio

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        35 min
      13. The edge of the ice

        Thwaites Glacier in Antarctica is massive, bigger than the state of Florida. If it collapses, it could reshape every coast on this planet during this century. That’s why it’s sometimes known as “the Doomsday Glacier.”

        And yet, until recently, we knew very little about it. Because Thwaites is extremely remote, reachable only by crossing the wildest ocean on the planet, scientists had never observed its calving edge firsthand. 

        In 2019, a ground-breaking international mission set out to change that, and writer Elizabeth Rush was on board to document the voyage.  We caught up with her to learn about life on an Antarctic icebreaker, how she grappled with classic Antarctic narratives about exploration (and domination), and how she summons hope even after coming face-to-face with Thwaites.     

        Featuring Elizabeth Rush.

         

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        Our 2022 episode featuring Elizabeth Rush about community responses to sea level rise in Staten Island and Louisiana. If you’re interested in reading more about the journey to Thwaites, check out Elizabeth’s book, “The Quickening: Creation and Community at the Ends of the Earth”.

        A paper published in Nature with some of the findings from this voyage, showing that Thwaites has historically retreated two to three times faster than we’ve ever observed. Here’s the one detailing findings about Thwaites’ past extent, extrapolated from their study of ancient penguin bones, and another sharing observations about water currents beneath its ice shelf.

        We also recommend “Encounters at the End of the World,” Werner Herzog’s (2007) documentary about science and community in Antarctica.

         

        CREDITS

        Outside/In host: Nate Hegyi

        Reported, produced, and mixed by Justine Paradis 

        Edited by Taylor Quimby

        Our team also includes Felix Poon. 

        NHPR’s Director of Podcasts is Rebecca Lavoie

        Music by Blue Dot Sessions, Nctrnm, Sometimes Why, FLYIN, Silver Maple, Chris Zabriskie, Ooyy, and the Weddell seals of Antarctica.

        Outside/In is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio.

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        31 min

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