Author and change maker Reshma Saujani describes how being a mother and a CEO pre-Covid worked but the two during Covid broke her. This was the inspiration for her Marshall Plan for Moms, to provide the support at work and at home to allow moms to survive this crisis. Her book Pay Up focuses on what companies and moms can do to create pay equity at home and at work. Despite her achievements in 2021, Reshma is giving up on congress and focusing on companies where she believes we can have real change to support her 2022 goal of subsidizing childcare at work. We talk about why the focus on Moms and why the Greek women’s strategy of refusing sex to end the Peloponnesian war is not the answer. Discussions about paying moms seem to create debate and discomfort – Reshma says bring it on, only then can we find true gender equality.