Stephen, Mark and Matt are back with a fun episode comprising discussions from cow's blood to ethics.  Listen now!

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Matt Started a New Podcast:

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Things Discussed on Episode:

• Human trials expected to start next month for Covid-19 treatment derived from cows' blood - https://cnn.it/37D1xEE
• Show me the data: U.S. doctors skeptical of reported COVID breakthrough - https://reut.rs/37E7Fwe
• How long does the coronavirus last inside the body? - https://on.natgeo.com/3fwifIw
• Rt Covid-19 - https://rt.live
• Two hairstylists who had coronavirus saw 140 clients. No new infections have been linked to the salon, officials say - https://cnn.it/2CcxIPv
• COVID-19: Straight Answers from Top Epidemiologist Who Predicted the Pandemic - https://bit.ly/2Cj7smL
• Is this the second wave of COVID-19 in the U.S.? Or are we still in the first? - https://nbcnews.to/3fCIXzp

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Dr. Stephen Kissler and Matt Boettger talk candidly about how the protests surrounding Black Lives Matter is NOT a change of "narrative" for the pandemic by healthcare professionals and scientists, but rather part of the solution. This is one if not the best episode yet according to Matt. :-) Listen now!

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Matt Started a New Podcast:

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Things Discussed on Episode:

• Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says - https://cnb.cx/3f9gKji
• Number of Texans hospitalized with coronavirus hits all-time high as experts say cases are likely to continue increasing - https://bit.ly/2XNkAsC
• DATA SUGGESTS THE PANDEMIC COULD BE COMING BACK WITH A VENGEANCE - https://bit.ly/3f5O6zw
• 14 states and Puerto Rico hit highest seven-day average of new coronavirus infections - https://wapo.st/30yqQWT
• Why Georgia’s reopening hasn’t led to a surge in coronavirus cases (so far) - https://bit.ly/2BUQBXe
• We often accuse the right of distorting science. But the left changed the coronavirus narrative overnight - https://bit.ly/3cT7wpT

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Matt Started a New Podcast:

• Check out Matt's new "Living the Real" podcast which just released this week. You can find more information on his website and please do not forgot to sign up to get information on future content as well as be notified when Living the Real is approved on Apple Podcasts.
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Things Discussed on Episode:

• A COVID-19 vaccine has passed its first human trial. But is it the frontrunner? - https://on.natgeo.com/30bLhbZ
• First human trial of potential antibody treatment for Covid-19 begins - https://cnn.it/3cwpG0r
• At-Home Covid-19 Testing Arrives, With Accuracy and Access Questions - https://on.wsj.com/36XrMW7
• Some Countries Have Brought New Cases Down To Nearly Zero. How Did They Do It? - https://n.pr/3gVMOZy
• Top journal retracts study claiming masks ineffective in preventing COVID-19 spread - https://bit.ly/2AGP2vb
• How medical bias against black people is shaping Covid-19 treatment and care - https://bit.ly/2U8NIZa
• What I Said When My White Friend Asked for My Black Opinion on White Privilege - https://bit.ly/2Y3ufu3

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Matt Started a New Podcast:

• Check out Matt's new "Living the Real" podcast which just released this week. You can find more information on his website and please do not forgot to sign up to get information on future content as well as be notified when Living the Real is approved on Apple Podcasts.
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Things Discussed on Episode:

• WHO warns of 'second peak' in areas where COVID-19 declining: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-peak-idUSKBN2311VJ
• Scientists Warn CDC Testing Data Could Create Misleading Picture Of Pandemic: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/21/860480756/scientists-warn-cdc-testing-data-could-create-misleading-picture-of-pandemic
• It May Be Possible to Catch the Coronavirus Twice, Scientists Believe: https://www.newsweek.com/it-may-possible-catch-coronavirus-twice-scientists-believe-1505957
• Why scientists are changing their minds and disagreeing during the coronavirus pandemic: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/23/why-scientists-change-their-mind-and-disagree.html
• 500 doctors tell Trump to end the coronavirus shutdown, say it will cause more deaths: https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/21/500-doctors-tell-donald-trump-end-coronavirus-shut/?utm_source=ForAmerica
• Remdesivir for the Treatment of Covid-19 — Preliminary Report: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764
• On Becoming a Plague Doctor: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2011418
• What Kind of Country Do We Want?: https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2020/06/11/what-kind-of-country-do-we-want/
• A List of Stephen’s Interviews so far

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Stephen, Mark and Matt geek out about advances in epidemiological modeling, discuss the hope for a January vaccine, take an incredible listener question, and chat about the deeper complexities of reopening.

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Matt Started a New Podcast:

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Things Discussed on Episode:

• High enzyme levels make men more vulnerable to COVID-19: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/high-enzyme-levels-men-vulnerable-covid-19-report-200511081359742.html
• Coronavirus could 'burn out naturally' so vaccine not needed, former WHO director claims: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/16/coronavirus-could-burn-naturally-vaccine-not-needed-former-director/?fbclid=IwAR2T7Ta3bUjoirm__WOyuZTP68jHYl1WfAPZWAHTxob-exqsTgNUOODICnk
• Different Coronavirus Models Are Starting To Agree. The Picture's Not Good: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/13/855038708/combining-different-models-new-coronavirus-projection-shows-110-000-deaths-by-ju
• A List of Stephen’s Interviews so far

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Things Discussed on Episode:

• The Risks - Know Them - Avoid Them - https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them
• Take the Shutdown Skeptics Seriously -https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/take-shutdown-skeptics-seriously/611419/
• Racial Health Disparities and Covid-19 — Caution and Context - https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2012910

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Mark chats about all that money he is making at the hospital from declaring patients "COVID-19 patients" (not true), Stephen talks about how numbers are about as trustworthy as the internet in general without context, and Matt uses stick figure drawings to help explain the polarity of opinion about the pandemic. 

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Things Discussed on Episode:

• The Righteous Mind 
• After Virtue 
• Predictably Irrational 
• The Organized Mind 
• Dr. David Kats Interview 

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Stephen, Mark and Matt have a little heart to heart about all the differences of opinion about COVID-19, and take a brief look at the big "mutation" discovered of the virus: Fact, Fiction, or "It's Complicated"?

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Resources Discussed on Episode:

• The Problem With Stories About Dangerous Coronavirus Mutations by Ed Yong in The Atlantic
• Fact Check on CDC “Reducing” COVID Death Toll 
• Stephen Colbert Mashup 
• The Great Price of Americas Great Lockdown by Samuel Gregg
• A List of Stephen’s Interviews so far

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Stephen, Mark and Matt try to wrap their heads around all the craziness going on right now! Not an easy task...

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**Sorry! Had to take down this episode and repost it as Mark's voice was somehow muted when Matt exported the file. Fixed now!**

Today Stephen, Mark, and Matt chat about the promising antiviral remdesivir and the ethical dimensions of clinical trials.

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Related Articles from Episode:

• A running list of Stephen’s interviews
• Lancet article Mark referenced
• Atlantic article Matt referenced

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