This episode we recorded over Skype from our separate quarantine bunkers... Melissa starts us off with a recent article where the pope warns of succumbing to the demons of apathy and mediocrity. We then interview paranormal coach, Kaedrich Olsen who advocates for a greater understanding of the paranormal and teaches that fear of the supernatural leads to increased negative situations. Finally Matt has a rant about tulpas and Josh brings us home with a personal story of an ancestral ghost!