Passle CMO Series Podcast

Cross-selling remains one of the biggest growth opportunities for professional services firms, yet cultural silos, lack of trust and missed client insights mean many struggle to get it right.

Join this panel of professional services marketing and BD leaders as they unpack the biggest challenges and opportunities in cross-selling today.

Recorded live in London, Will Eke hosts Sadie Baron (Interim CMO, TLT), Barney O’Kelly (Head of Solutions & Product Marketing, AlixPartners), Peter Skinner (BD & Marketing Director, Wedlake Bell) and James Davidge (Head of Origination, Taylor Wessing) as they dive into the pitfalls of cross-firm collaboration, the growth opportunities within reach, and the tools and techniques shaping a culture of cross-selling.

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The art of storytelling is becoming an increasingly vital tool for law firms to form strong client relationships through personal connections, ultimately encouraging natural collaboration to rise above competitors.

Today, Alitia Faccone joins Will Eke on the CMO Series Podcast to share exactly how to incorporate successful storytelling into legal marketing. From acting school to law school to leading business development at Jackson Lewis, Alitia Faccone has built a career leveraging the power of storytelling. 

In this episode, we’re going to dive into how data, creativity, and a ‘professionally personal’ approach to content are helping the firm connect with clients in more meaningful ways, and what’s next as storytelling, data, and technology converge in legal marketing.

Alitia and Will discuss:

Executing an effective thought leadership strategy is essential in professional services marketing, yet many firms continue to struggle. By understanding and implementing the right approaches, firms can not only cut through crowded markets but also build lasting credibility.

In today’s episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Charlie speaks with a former guest on the series, Phill McGowan, who has led marketing and communications at top law firms including Jenner & Block, Crowell & Moring, and Reed Smith. Now, through his consultancy, Phill McGowan Marketing, he helps firms deliver impactful, data-driven campaigns.

Phill joins us today for a masterclass in building successful thought leadership campaigns, from distinguishing between flagship Capital “C” campaigns to more agile, lower-case “c” initiatives. We’ll also explore how to navigate shifting markets, secure leadership buy-in, and create content that stands out.

Phill and Charlie dive into:

Boutique firms are continually finding new ways to stand out, tackle significant cases, and make a lasting impact. 

In today's episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Eugene McCormick welcomes Anne Kunkel, the Chief Marketing Officer at Redgrave. Anne joins Eugene to discuss how boutique firms consistently go above and beyond, sharing her insights on building an agile team, navigating new technologies, AI, and regulations, and successfully driving strategy through to action. 

Anne and Eugene explore:

Fractional marketing is on the rise, enabling firms to tap into top-tier expertise without the full-time cost.

In today’s episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Charles Cousins sits down with leading fractional marketer, Helen Cox.  Helen breaks down the common mistakes that appear in marketing and BD, the role a fractional CMO plays and how firms can truly find value in leveraging fractional leadership without the full-time cost. 

Helen is a Marketing and Business development consultant and the founder of Helen Cox Marketing. She has successfully worked with numerous firms, helping them re-strategise their marketing and BD plans, and show internal teams how to use AI and technology to work smarter and more effectively.

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Law firms continue to struggle with getting their lawyers to cross-sell effectively, leaving significant revenue untapped. The good news is that with the right strategic shift, firms can close the gap between their professionals and cross-selling success.

In this episode of the CMO Series, Yasmin Zand is joined by Threshold Advisors Managing Partner, Dr. Karen Kahn, to talk about how firms can do this effectively. Karen is a psychologist, certified coach, and the author of Daunting to Doable. 

In this episode, Karen breaks down how law firms can turn relationships into revenue by making cross-selling simple, authentic, and lawyer-focused. She shares the mindset shifts, behaviors, and tech tools that help CMOs and leaders move from broad strategies to personalized, practical business development that actually sticks.

Karen and Yasmin dive into:

Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion has become a critical framework for organisations striving to create more supportive environments for both current and prospective employees. As the competition for talent intensifies, firms are recognising the importance of addressing gaps in representation.

Today's guest on CMO Series REPRESENTS is someone well-versed in driving meaningful change and is here to discuss why building a culture of belonging matters. Olivia Backon is joined by Paul Modley, AMS’s Managing Director of Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Belonging. 

Paul’s journey has been powerful and inspiring, taking him from his working-class roots in Wales to the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games, and now leading the charge at AMS where he has created a global Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Belonging Centre of Excellence to ensure that existing and emerging talent get the support, resources and recognition they deserve. 

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In today’s legal market, mid-size firms are proving they can punch well above their weight, and the secret often lies in bold, strategic marketing leadership. In this episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Charles Cousins speaks with Courtney Beauzile, Head of Marketing, Business Development & Communications at Robins Kaplan. After moving from an AMLaw 100 firm to an AMLaw 200 mid-size firm, Courtney has shown how the right approach can fuel growth, elevate digital presence, and transform the impact of marketing.

Two years into her role, Courtney shares her playbook for building strong, diverse teams that bring creativity and innovation to every campaign. By harnessing a mix of personalities and skills, she demonstrates how mid-size firms can develop strategies that not only compete with, but often outpace, the largest players.

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In a time when business leaders are navigating heightened political division, evolving workplace expectations, and the urgent call for inclusivity, understanding how to lead with purpose has never been more critical.

On this episode of CMO Series REPRESENTS, Yasmin Zand is joined by Gina Rubel, CEO and General Counsel at Furia Rubel Communications. Their conversation explores the deep commitment to advocacy, DEI, and ethical relationship-building that has shaped Gina’s leadership and the culture at Furia Rubel.

Together, they delve into the forces behind Gina’s passion, including her work with the Rule of Law Coalition, and examine how leaders can create truly safe and inclusive spaces in today’s legal industry.

Gina and Yasmin dive into:

The steps CMOs and firm leaders must take to communicate effectively, internally and externally, amid political polarization

The story behind the Rule of Law Coalition and its significance in today’s climate

Practical advice for legal marketers striving to lead with authenticity and purpose

AI is transforming the legal industry, yet many firms are missing a trick. While policies and strategies are taking shape, marketing and business development are too often left out of the conversation.

In this episode, Charles Cousins speaks with Guy Alvarez, lawyer-turned-entrepreneur and founder of InnovAItion Partners, on why marketing and BD leaders need a seat at the AI table, and how their involvement can drive innovation, meet client expectations, and give firms a competitive edge.

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