Renowned author, activist and entrepreneur Paul Hawken joins Mongabay's podcast to discuss his new book, Carbon: The Book of Life, and argues that the jargon and fear-based terms broadly used by the climate movement alienate the broader public and fail to communicate the nuance and complexity of the larger ecological crises that humans are causing.

Instead, Hawken argues that real change begins in, and is propelled by, communities: "Community is the source of change, and what we have [are] obviously systems that are destroying community everywhere."

The title of Hawken's book, carbon, is also the fourth most abundant element in the universe, and a fundamental building block of life. He argues it is being maligned in a way that distracts from the root causes of ecological destruction in favor of technological solutions that are not viable at scale, or international agreements that prioritize carbon accounting.

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Image: Sumaco volcano in Ecuador at sunset. Image by Rhett A. Butler/Mongabay.

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Timestamps

(00:00) Language in the climate movement

(18:10) What is a 'nounism'?

(23:45) Leadership is 'listening to all voices'

(33:49) Community drives change

(40:24) Why does carbon get a bad rap?

(50:01) Normalizing the conversation around climate

(54:22) 'Decentering' the Global North

(59:19) Humans are not 'alpha'