Host Kristin Hayes talks with Margaret Walls, a senior fellow at Resources for the Future about her work on the economics of national parks and other public lands, including ways to address ongoing funding needs and overcrowding. They also discuss some of the recent concerns related to national parks and the government shutdown.

References and recommendations made by Margaret Walls:

"The Hour of Land: A Personal Topography of America's National Parks" by Terry Tempest Williams; https://www.amazon.com/Hour-Land-Personal-Topography-Americas/dp/0374280096

"All The Wild That Remains: Edward Abbey, Wallace Stegner, and the American West" by David Gessner; https://www.amazon.com/All-Wild-That-Remains-American/dp/0393352374