A review of how long one can say kiddush and havdalah, if one missed the ideal initial time. Ameimar repeats (and limits) Rava's statement. Ameimar in the house of R. Hisda was concerned that they didn't have wine for havdalah - according to the report of R. Hisda's sons. But when he discovered that they habitually (apparently) didn't have wine, he was willing to use the beer they gave him for havdalah. And from his conduct, we learn 3 principles about havdalah. Clearly, different people relate to wine - including how quickly they react to it - in different ways. Plus: Date beer! Which pains and soothes... Can it be used for kiddush? It seems to depend on what you're accustomed to drinking. Also, Agrippas. He clearly lived long before Ravina, who discusses his eating habits. If Pesach is about reaffirming Jewish identity, his significance is all the more palpable, as one who embraced Judaism and Jews (as compared to the Jews in Egypt at Pesach).