The record number of prisoners are bouncing between facilities around the country, stretching court resources and rehabilitation programmes

With prison numbers at their highest ever and still rising, one former prisoner and critic of this government's tough-on-crime policies has put his hope in a controversial programme

Guests:

• Emma Priest, criminal barrister
• Dr Paul Wood, formerly incarcerated PhD

Learn more:

• View the most recent prison statistics from Ara Poutama Aotearoa/ Department of Correction
• Read about plans for the next boot camp, in March
• Compare stats on prison populations around the world

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