Confusion.  Voices trying to induce it.  Snake oil and projects.  Things develop.  A nearly-undifferentiated mass presents itself to the senses.

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First steps seem like training the mind (meditation, etc.), being kind and working hard at meaningful work.  The market tends to confuse our being and having needs.

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Do we need to impose rules on the appetites of our heart?  We use food metaphors to discuss this. But how does one go about imposing those laws?  

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I ask LL how we (should) deal with our affections?  She cautions against trusting yourself, in a way, too much, and I link this to how we perhaps have transferred a sense of the sacred from outside us to inside.

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“You know how to suffer and die.  You know how to endure the law of necessity in physical ills, but you have not yet imposed laws on the appetites of your heart, and the disorder of our lives arises from our affections far more than from our needs.” Rousseau, Emile, (trans. Bloom) 443-4. We hear a lot about getting our needs met, and how not getting them met leads to misbehavior, but this quote emphasizes affections instead.  Why can’t good things feel good and bad things feel bad?! Much of Rousseau’s answer seems to be in our development and education.  How do you think we should deal with our affections?

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“You know how to suffer and die.  You know how to endure the law of necessity in physical ills, but you have not yet imposed laws on the appetites of your heart, and the disorder of our lives arises from our affections far more than from our needs.” Rousseau, Emile, (trans. Bloom) 443-4.  We tend to emphasize need as something to be met, else all manner of bad result, but here he emphasizes appetites, which we may sometimes even elevate to the sacred.  We talk of how we deal with our appetites, including through practices in meditation and Stoicism.  LL particularly likes the reminder Marcus Aurelius gave himself mornings, to expect incompetence, imbecility, error and corruption.  It seems obvious, but one should regularly remind oneself that the mind defaults to a fantasy of the world, but wisdom is about accepting it as it is and being good and happy still.  

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I opine that many social media video-heavy apps hurt the possibility of a contemplative life because of the effect on attention.  I ask LL about her experience with somewhat rigorous philosophical dialogue.  I have had experiences that made me think it can bring you closer to enlightenment, and I was confirmed in this belief by John Vervaeke.

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It’s a cliche and yet still noticeable when you see people in public preoccupied on their devices, hyperconnected and unconnected.  I have taken some actions to limit such attention suckers; you can think of this as helping productivity.  I also think of it as increasing chance for meditative attention.

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My friend LL relates how a nice relationship with a local boba shop owner started – putting down her cellphone.

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Simple Human Connection and Deeper Realization (Clip)

I ask LL about practices that help her come into a deeper connection with reality.  She attributes the simple human connection and the topics we discuss to the participation in the podcast’s doing that for her.

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