What happens when a retired officer with 23 years of experience pulls back the curtain on modern policing? Copville joins us for an unflinching conversation about the realities of law enforcement today, drawing from his extensive career spanning narcotics, SWAT, and real-time crime center operations.

The conversation quickly moves beyond surface-level police talk as Copville shares his journey from a small Florida police department to navigating the complex political landscape of larger agencies. His candid assessment of police leadership resonates deeply: "Once you reach a certain level, you get so disconnected from what's actually going on in the street." This disconnect, he argues, leads to policies created by those who haven't worked patrol in decades yet make life-or-death decisions affecting officers and citizens alike.

We dive into technological advancements changing modern policing, particularly real-time crime centers that provide critical information to officers in the field. Yet Copville reminds us that technology alone can't solve the fundamental challenges facing law enforcement. When discussing controversial body camera footage, he offers nuanced analysis that neither blindly defends nor broadly condemns officer actions, instead asking: "If you can't handle a First Amendment auditor with a phone, how are you going to handle a real stressful situation?"

Perhaps most compelling is Copville's philosophy on the officer's oath: "I worked for the people, not the job, not a building, not an administration." This perspective challenges officers to remember their fundamental responsibility to protect constitutional rights, even when facing institutional pressures. Whether discussing the problems with "tick-tock cops" seeking social media fame or the critical need for better leadership training, Copville's insights offer a rare glimpse into policing from someone who's lived it from multiple angles.

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