In this packed episode of Policy, Guns and Money, Marcus and Michael discuss the key findings of this year's Cost of Defence Budget Brief (0:55). From the Cyber side of the house, Tom and Danielle discuss the ANU data breach (13:10) and Alex and Elise discuss the impact of Alex's report, Picking Flowers, Making Honey (19:20) and to wrap up, roving reporter Brendan Nicholson sat down with Sameer Patil of the Gateway House think-tank to discuss all things India (29:30).

Referenced in this episode:

https://www.aspi.org.au/report/cost-defence-aspi-defence-budget-brief-2019-2020

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-04/anu-data-hack-bank-records-personal-information/11176788

https://www.aspi.org.au/report/picking-flowers-making-honey

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-03/xinjiang-china-surveillance-company-partnership-with-aus-unis/11074122

https://gallagher.house.gov/media/press-releases/gallagher-hartzler-introduce-bill-ban-chinese-military-scientists-american-labs

Guests:

Marcus Hellyer: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/marcus-hellyer

Michael Shoebridge: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge

Tom Uren: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/tom-uren

Danielle Cave: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/danielle-cave

Alex Joske: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/alex-joske

Elise Thomas: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/elise-thomas

Brendan Nicholson: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/brendan-nicholson

Sameer Patil: https://www.gatewayhouse.in/author/sameer-patil/

Music in this episode: "Ticker" by Silent Partner, via the You Tube Audio Library.