We talk about the magic of our industry, or lack thereof at present. Does meaning matter anymore? How the business of beauty is as interesting as the expression of identity, and the often exhausting expectations of being a founder.

We discuss the influence of growing up in a Christian family, how beauty can feel artificial especially when comparing yourself to everyone else, why we ultimately have the choice to choose our own unique expression of self, and the internal debate of whether or not to start an only fans account.

We discuss the journey of exploring, finding, losing, and reconnecting with your highest, evolving self. How relational support and being your own healer requires being brutally honest with yourself, and why sometimes you need to look in the mirror and be your own therapist.

We talk with Jenna Holmes, Founder of Plant Mama, Pasta Club, and P Mami, about her casual approach to beauty: her mother's influence, her experience with getting older, her challenges with being in the public eye, how her ADHD diagnosis has helped her understand herself,  and finally, accepting the evolving parts of herself with and without makeup.

We chat openly with Erin Deering, Co-founder of Triangl, about her relationship to beauty: her exploration of injectables and the process of altering and undoing it all; as well as her experience and learnings across business and motherhood.

Ellen and Erika discuss the year that’s been: one of experimenting, learning, growing, tiring, and ultimately feeling energised for what’s next. What exactly is that for Fluff? Listen and find out. 

We’re talking to Ellen, Fluff’s Head of Brand, about her relationship to beauty: her confusion around identity, the influence of location and circumstance, and how she has accepted its evolving nature. And finally, the role that Fluff has played.

We're talking about Erika's relationship to beauty: how she thinks it's changed over time and specific influences including work and relationships, why she started Fluff, and how the business influences her personal choices around makeup and consumption.