In this Primal HR Hot Take, Terry Smith and Leslie Lulham react to SHRM’s $11.5 million lawsuit involving harassment, discrimination, and wrongful termination inside its own organization. They unpack the hypocrisy, leadership failures, Glassdoor reviews, and what this moment means for HR credibility, culture, and accountability.

In this episode of Primal HR, Terry Smith and Leslie Lulham move beyond the doom and gloom of return-to-office mandates and focus on what actually works. They explore practical benefits, flexible policies, commuter support, office amenities, and people-first strategies that can make RTO more humane, effective, and sustainable for both employees and employers.

In this episode, Terry Smith and Leslie Lulham explore why return-to-office mandates are failing, how they impact employee experience, and what HR leaders need to consider when shaping RTO policies that actually work.

Hosts Terry Smith and Leslie Lulham introduce Primal HR, a new podcast focused on HR, leadership, and workplace culture from the human side. In this pilot, they explain the show’s purpose, their perspectives, and what listeners can expect in upcoming episodes.