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• Airbnb Just Radically Changed Travel Again. Here’s How.
• Things to Do in Miami | 5-Star Authentic Experiences
• 5 NEW iOS 18.5 Features - HUGE for Parents - YouTube
• Apple brings insights, ratings, and reviews from expert sources to Apple Maps - Apple
• Google updating its ‘G’ icon for the first time in 10 years
• File:Apple first logo.png - Wikipedia
• Android 16 Material Three Expressive UI coming in beta this month | The Verge
• Wear OS 6 puts Google Gemini on your wrist | The Verge
• Samsung Galaxy S25 Edge - YouTube
• Apple unveils powerful accessibility features coming later this year - Apple
• Universal Music Group and Apple Music announce Sound Therapy - Apple
• visionOS 3 will let you scroll apps using only your eyes, per report - 9to5Mac
• Google’s Annoying Plan to Get You to Quit Safari Is a Lesson in How Not to Treat Your Users
• Warner Bros. Discovery Just Undid 1 of The Worst Brand Mistakes I’ve Ever Seen

• (00:00) - Intro

Special guest John Gruber joins us to break down Eddy Cue’s statements on AI replacing the iPhone in 10 years, using AI search in Safari, Apple’s continued fight for App Store control, and what we’ll hear about Siri and Apple Intelligence at WWDC 2025.

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• Apple's Eddy Cue: AI Could Replace iPhone in 10 Years - MacRumors
• Apple is looking at adding Perplexity and other AI search engines to Safari | The Verge
• Apple Q2 2025 results and charts: $95.4B revenue – Six Colors
• Apple Asks Court to Pause Order that Would Upend Its US App Store Business - Bloomberg
• Amazon now has a ‘Get book’ button in its iOS Kindle app | The Verge
• Spotify Updates iPhone App With Out-of-App Payment Options in U.S. - MacRumors
• Patreon will update its iPhone app to sidestep Apple’s payment system | The Verge
• Perplexity Made the Siri Apple Promised - YouTube
• Man killed in Valley road rage shooting provides own impact statement through AI
• How Tech Can Bring Our Loved Ones to Life After They Die | WSJ - YouTube
• Lego Built 10 Life-Size F1 Cars. Then Drivers Took Them for a Lap at the Miami Grand Prix

• (00:00) - Intro

Epic Games got a huge win against Apple, what it means for the App Store and Tim Cook’s leadership, Meta's new Llama 4 AI chat app for iOS, Take It Down Act tries to tackle deepfakes, and Amazon refurb iPhones may be a scam.

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• A judge just blew up Apple’s control of the App Store | The Verge
• Tim Sweeny’s Victory Lap
• Epic win: Apple forced to give developers (almost) free reign to link out and avoid paying Apple's 30% cut - 9to5Mac
• Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers - Practicalities of Modern Patent Litigation Conference Practicalities of Modern Patent Litigation Conference
• Daring Fireball: Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers Rules, in Excoriating Decision, That Apple Violated Her 2021 Court Order Regarding App Store Anti-Steering Provisions
• ChatGPT is getting better for shopping | The Verge
• OpenAI says its GPT-4o update could be ‘uncomfortable, unsettling, and cause distress’ | The Verge
• Meta launches standalone AI chat app based on Llama 4 for iPhone and iPad - 9to5Mac
• Mark Zuckerberg is planning a premium tier and ads for Meta’s AI app | The Verge
• ‎Snapshot on Apple
• Amazon Considered Displaying Tariff Charges on Its Ultracheap ‘Haul’ Site - WSJ
• Congress passes Take It Down Act to fight deepfake nudes, revenge porn - The Washington Post
• Raycast for iOS
• Why the lettering on Pope Francis's tomb looks so bad - Fast Company
• Accessibility - Apple

• (00:00) - Intro

Perplexity voice assistant can now interact with your iPhone, and it’s better than Siri, iPhone 17 Air models reveal an ultra-slim design, Google loses two trials and what it means for Chrome, Search and OpenAI, plus Apple Watch celebrates 10 years since launch.

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• Nintendo Switch 2 preorders: everything you need to know to nab one | The Verge
• OpenPin Hub
• Perplexity Voice AI
• Perplexity Plagiarized Our Story About How Perplexity Is a Bullshit Machine | WIRED
• Apple’s New Siri Chief Mike Rockwell Overhauls Management to Start Turnaround - Bloomberg
• Apple Intelligence | Clean Up Photos: Flex | iPhone 16 - YouTube
• Low Glare | Mac does that | Apple - YouTube
• iPhone 17 Air's Extreme Thinness Demoed in New Video - MacRumors
• Apple Sports scores another win with new Game Card Sharing feature
• Ads are rolling out more broadly on Threads today, and our goal is still for them to enhance your overall experience. We’re closely monitoring and will continue listening to your feedback as we scale.
• Instagram Launches 'Edits' App to Replace CapCut - MacRumors
• Google’s antitrust trial begins with a fight over Chrome, money, and AI | The Verge
• Sam Altman Just Trolled Everyone, and It’s The Smartest Idea I’ve Seen Yet
• Apple fined 500 million euros by EU under the Digital Markets Act, forced to make changes to App Store policies - 9to5Mac
• Did Tim Cook finagle a special tariff deal? Senator Warren wants to know | The Verge
• Bluesky launches blue check verification | TechCrunch
• Review: Apple Watch is beautiful, but rough around the edges | AppleInsider
• Apple Watch Series 7 review: Bigger than you think | AppleInsider

• (00:00) - Intro

What could an OpenAI social network look like, ChatGPT 4.1 launched, iPadOS 19 is supposedly going to be more Mac-like (is that even a good thing?), Apple Ads are getting wild, and Mark Zuckerberg defends Meta against the FTC.

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• OpenAI is building a social network | The Verge
• OpenAI debuts its GPT-4.1 flagship AI model | The Verge
• ChatGPT can now remember and reference all your previous chats - Ars Technica
• Anthropic is reportedly launching a voice AI you can speak to | The Verge
• Google rolls out its AI video generator to Gemini Advanced subscribers | The Verge
• I Tested AirPods Max Lossless Audio Blindfolded - Is it Actually Better? - YouTube
• Low Glare | Mac does that | Apple - YouTube
• Apple rebrands Search Ads business as 'Apple Ads' - 9to5Mac
• Extended Access Management – Product | 1Password
• Report: iPadOS 19 to be 'more like macOS' in major overhaul - 9to5Mac
• Report Reveals Internal Chaos Behind Apple's Siri Failure - MacRumors
• Smartphones and computers are now exempt from Trump’s latest tariffs | CNN Business
• Meta’s Antitrust Trial Begins as FTC Argues Company Built Social Media Monopoly - The New York Times
• FTC presses Zuckerberg to admit he wanted to "neutralize" Instagram app - The Washington Post
• Meta’s antitrust trial slide redactions aren’t actually hiding anything | The Verge
• Mark Zuckerberg tells court that Meta made WhatsApp, Instagram better | The Verge
• Zoom’s Response to Its Major Outage Is the 1 Thing No Company Should Ever Do
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• (00:00) - Intro

A leaked iPhone 17 Pro case reveals a massive camera bump, Shopify's AI-focused hiring strategy, How tariffs will affect Apple’s pricing, and we get nostalgic looking back at 50 years of Microsoft.

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• Scary Numbers Severance Inspired Merch - Basic Apple Guy
• Emergency SOS on Apple Watch | Rick’s Rescue | Apple - YouTube
• Leaked iPhone 17 Pro Cases Show Huge Cutout for New Camera Bump - MacRumors
• Instagram’s Mosseri Positions App for TikTok Turmoil — The Information
• Shopify Says No New Hires Unless AI Can’t Do the Job - WSJ
• Meta gets caught gaming AI benchmarks with Llama 4 | The Verge
• Anthropic steps up OpenAI competition with Max subscription for Claude
• Nintendo delays Switch 2 preorders over tariff concerns | The Verge
• Report: Apple Airlifted Premium Devices to US to Beat Tariff Deadline - MacRumors
• Apple iPhone Shipment Math
• Trump extends TikTok deadline for the second time
• Apple Customers Dash to Stores to Buy iPhones Ahead of Tariffs - Bloomberg
• Apple reports record revenue for Q1 2025 (with charts) - Six Colors
• The 50 best things Microsoft has ever made | The Verge
• Dell Venue Pro out does HTC, gets updated to 7.8 | Windows Central
• Windows Phone 7 Launch Event - YouTube
• I Have 20 Years of Digital Files. What Do I Do With Them? - WSJ

• (00:00) - Intro

Nintendo Switch 2 details plus the elaborate pre-order process, iOS 18.4 is out with new features, new podcast app, tariffs and tech, Amazon bids to aquire TikTok, and Stephen takes issues with Jason’s travel tech recommendations.

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• Review: I Expected the Sigma BF Camera to Be Ridiculous. It Is Surprisingly Good
• Sofa Podcast Player - Sofa
• 15 NEW iOS 18.4 Features
• With iOS 18.4, Apple Quietly Introduced 1 of Its Best Features Yet
• The Annoying Bug Making Apple Users Very Angry
• Nintendo Switch 2 specs: 1080p 120Hz display, 4K dock, mouse mode, and more | The Verge
• Nintendo Switch 2 Accessories 
• 4 Leadership Lessons from the Book Mark Zuckerberg Doesn’t Want You to Read
• Donald Trump announces tariffs that could raise the price of almost everything you buy | The Verge
• Amazon Said to Make a Bid to Buy TikTok in the U.S. - The New York Times
• ChatGPT is turning everything into Studio Ghibli art | The Verge
• 11 Travel Tech Gear Essentials and Accessories
• The Better Anker MagSafe Battery

• (00:00) - Intro

Apple is shifting its exec team to hopefully fix Siri and Apple Intelligence failings, OpenAI's major funding news and new image generator, iOS 19 to bring visionOS-like redesign to iPhone, Meta’s tell-all book, and a brief history of our websites.

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• Behind the Mac: Editing Severance | Apple - YouTube
• Mac - Lumon Terminal Pro - Apple
• Apple’s Worldwide Developers Conference returns the week of June 9 - Apple
• Apple Vision Pro Chief Mike Rockwell Named Siri Head; Giannandrea Keeps AI Role - Bloomberg
• Lossless audio and ultra-low latency audio come to AirPods Max - Apple
• iOS 18.4 Release Candidate comes bundled with over 50 new changes and features [Video] - 9to5Mac
• OpenAI Image Generation with 4o
• OpenAI Close to Finalizing $40 Billion SoftBank-Led Funding - Bloomberg
• Meta scrambled to silence a tell-all book. Now it’s a bestseller. - The Washington Post
• Here Are the Attack Plans That Trump’s Advisers Shared on Signal - The Atlantic
• Signal, WhatsApp, and iMessage: Which Messaging App Is Most Secure?
• Introducing iOS 19 | Exclusive First Look - YouTube
• Gurman: Jon Prosser's iOS 19 Mockups 'Aren't Representative' of Redesign - MacRumors
• 8K video recording on the iPhone 17 backed by leaker - 9to5Mac
• Apple (AAPL) Explores Turning Watches Into Wearable AI Devices with Cameras - Bloomberg
• Why 23andMe failed to innovate in drugs and health care despite a DNA trove - The Washington Post
• Welcome to iWeb
• The Best Website Builder for Mac - RapidWeaver Classic
• Jason's Website
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• (00:00) - Intro

We compare the new M4 MacBook Air to the current M4 Pro MacBook Pro, Google announces Pixel 9a that reverses the camera bump trend, Pebble announces new smart watches, and are your devices really listening to you all the time?

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• M4 MacBook Air vs M3 Pro MacBook Pro – Worth the Trade? - YouTube
• Apple 14-inch MacBook Pro M4 Pro - B&H Photo
• M4 MacBook Air [Affiliate Link]
• Pixel 9a: The latest A-series phone with Google AI smarts at an unbeatable value
• Google Pixel 9A Impressions: One Great Spec! - YouTube
• Apple’s C1 outperforms iPhone 16 with Qualcomm in most benchmarks - 9to5Mac
• Get your new PebbleOS watch
• Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones
• Europe is trying to get non-Apple smartwatches to work better with iPhones | The Verge
• Amazon Is Killing Its Most Important Privacy Option. It All Starts This Month
• Apple Burns Down Its Benefit of the Doubt
• First look at iPhone 17 Air case shows large camera bar cutout - 9to5Mac
• iPhone 17 Pro Max Rumors Allegedly Refer to 'iPhone 17 Ultra' Model - MacRumors
• Apple will launch new ‘homeOS’ this year, here’s what’s coming - 9to5Mac
• Important 2025 Plex Updates | Plex

• (00:00) - Intro

We have M4 MacBook Airs in-hand, we review and compare to MacBook Pro, Mac Studio M3 Ultra reviews are out, iOS 19 may bring a massive redesign across iPhone, iPad, and Mac, plus, Apple Intelligence Siri features are officially delayed - did Apple break it’s promise?

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• M3 Ultra Mac Studio Review | Tests, Comparisons - YouTube
• M3 Ultra Mac Studio: Tested for Creative Pros - YouTube
• Apple Mac Studio (M3 Ultra) first look: a weekend with an $8,000 powerhouse | The Verge
• The M3 iPad Air Is Unsurprisingly Good
• Hands on With the M4 MacBook Air: It’s Delightful
• iOS 19 Redesign Now Widely Rumored - MacRumors
• Sonos has canceled its streaming video player | The Verge
• Daring Fireball: Apple Is Delaying the ‘More Personalized Siri’ Apple Intelligence Features
• Apple adds new disclaimer on its website advertising delayed AI Siri features - 9to5Mac
• Daring Fireball: Something Is Rotten in the State of Cupertino
• The 1 Thing Apple Needs to Get Right in 2025 Has Nothing to Do with the Next iPhone
• Pocket Casts web, Mac, and Windows apps are now free to access
• Just opened the Files app and saw this harrowing message.
• Tim Chaten - Mastodon

• (00:00) - Intro