Houda Rahmani is a Moroccan artist, illustrator, graphic designer, and photographer living in Tetouan. In this face to face conversation in Tangier, we discuss the academic side of art and her experience of studying fine arts in Morocco, watercolors and visual arts as poetry, we talk about the paradox of instagram- how it can make us more self-conscious about our work, but also more connected and equal in terms of artistic opportunity around the world. We discuss the difference between art vs. craft, moroccan traditional arts, whether art is a basic necessity of life, and our mutual love of the sea.