The Exiled Michigander and CTP join Short Rope for a discussion of an Elk Range 14er that is often characterized as one the most difficult: Pyramid Peak.  We chat about route finding on Pyramid's Northeast Ridge and argue about whether leaving ribbon on difficult sections of a climb is acceptable.  We debate whether camping on Pyramid is a better strategy than doing it all in one day from the car, and we discuss the rotten Elk Range rock and the infamous cliff traverse and green gulley sections on the standard route.  We also try to "re-build" the various sections on Pyramid with other similar features from other 14ers.  The "nah dude" jingle also found its way into this podcast.