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Trillions of dollars have poured into ESG and impact investing. So why do we have more pollution, more inequality, and accelerating biodiversity loss than when we started?
In this TBLI Radical Truth episode, Robert Rubinstein sits down with B. Lorraine Smith — writer, researcher, speaker, and one of the most clear-eyed critics of mainstream sustainability. After two decades working with global players in banking, mining, energy, chemicals, food, agriculture, retail, and tech — leading ESG strategy, investor communications, and executive engagement — Lorraine concluded that not only were we not solving the problems, we were making them worse. She stopped working in mainstream sustainability and ESG in 2021. B. Lorraine SmithHer vision is an economy where all businesses, across all industry sectors, can only succeed by enabling society and the biosphere to thrive. B. Lorraine SmithHer radical truth: ESG is not a solution. It is a distraction dressed up in the language of progress.
In this episode:
- Why tens of trillions in ESG capital have failed to bend the curve on climate, biodiversity, water, poverty, or inequality
- What the difference actually is between sustainability, ESG, and genuine regenerative investment
- Why most ESG frameworks measure the wrong things — and what measuring the right things would require
- What a regenerative economy looks like in practice — and why it demands a fundamentally different relationship between business, finance, and the living world
- Why circularity is not the same as regeneration — and why the distinction matters enormously for investors
- What it takes for corporate leaders and investors to move beyond "sustainability as usual"
The key insight: Despite billions invested in ESG initiatives, we have more pollution, inequality, and biodiversity loss. B. Lorraine SmithThe problem is not a lack of capital or intention — it is that the frameworks guiding that capital were never designed to create the outcomes they promise. Regenerative investment is not a tweak to the existing model. It is a different model entirely.
⏱️ Episode Guide:
- 0:00 — The ESG paradox: more money, worse outcomes
- 0:X:XX — What two decades inside corporate sustainability taught Lorraine
- 0:X:XX — The difference between ESG, sustainability, and regeneration
- 0:X:XX — Why circularity is not enough
- 0:X:XX — What regenerative investment actually demands of investors
- 0:X:XX — Where the real signals of change are emerging
👤 About B. Lorraine SmithB. Lorraine Smith worked with global corporations across banking, mining, energy, food, agriculture, retail, and technology for over two decades, leading ESG strategy, stakeholder dialogue, and executive engagement across multiple regions. S B. Lorraine Smithhe sits on the Board of Canadian Business for Social Responsibility and is a member of the Release Council of the Future-Fit Business Benchmark. S Biodiversity for a Livable Climatehe is based in Montréal and speaks French, Portuguese, and German. John Elkington of Volans describes her as one of the most thoughtful colleagues he has worked with in decades in the sustainability field.
For anyone who suspects that ESG is not delivering what it promises — and wants to understand what would — this episode is essential listening.
TBLI Group is the world's leading ESG and impact investing network — educating, advising, and connecting investors for 25 years.🌐 tbligroup.com
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