When the Douglas Murray vs. Dave Smith debate on Joe Rogan first went viral, we thought we had it all figured out. But after watching the fallout—and watching it again—we realized: we got it wrong.In this episode, we revisit the debate, the explosive reactions, and the chilling aftermath.

What Douglas Murray exposed wasn’t just about Zionism or Gaza—it was about something much deeper happening in our culture, and we completely missed it the first time.

00:00 Our Initial Reactions to Douglas Murray's performance

05:26 Reaction to the reactions around the internet

10:27 What was Douglas Murray thinking?

13:24 The real problem with experts

19:00 The bigger question about Rogan now

27:40 Mocking Douglas Murray with Tim Dillon

31:05 What camp are these people in?

36:29 Sam Harris/Douglas Murray conversation

43:17 Mike shares a DARK vision

50:40 Anything to feel optimistic about?

52:48 Kanye TWEET!