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My guest today is Kathleen Stock – philosopher, author of 'Material Girls', co-director of 'The Lesbian Project', and co-host (with Julie Bindel) of the podcast of the same name. 

I tried my best to persuade Kathleen to become a reactionary feminist, but we disagreed on several points: the merits of marriage, the low status attached to motherhood, and whether modern people are just too invested in the status quo. In the extended part of the episode we debated whether or not women should be soldiers and men should be nannies.