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This special episode of RealTalk MS is sponsored by EMD Serono and is only intended for a U.S. audience. EMD Serono is the healthcare business of Merck, KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany, in the United States and Canada.
In this special episode of RealTalk MS, Dr. Mary Rensel and Amanda Montague join me to explore HCP (Healthcare Provider) burnout and patient empowerment; and we'll be taking a close look at how patients and their healthcare providers can work together to support one another.
Dr. Mary Rensel is an Assistant Professor of Medicine at the Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine and Director of Pediatric Multiple Sclerosis and Wellness at the Mellen Center for Multiple Sclerosis at the Cleveland Clinic.
Amanda Montague is a global thought leader and Chief Mission Officer at the Multiple Sclerosis Association of America. Amanda is also an active member of the MS in the 21st Century initiative, more commonly known as MS21. MS21 is a Merck KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany, initiative involving healthcare professionals, or HCPs, and patient advocates.
To learn more about MS in the 21st Century, please visit www.msinthe21stcentury.com.
We're also talking with Craig Bianco about his experience as a member of the Care Partner Advisory Board creating the MS Care Partner Connection web portal.
And we'll tell you about the Phase 1 clinical trial for the Epstein-Barr Virus vaccine that's getting underway.
We have a lot to talk about! Are you ready for RealTalk MS??!
This Week: Where to get support if you have MS and you're a victim of the Southern California fires :22
Here's where and how 2025 is delivering new and improved benefits for many people with MS 2:06
Department of Transportation adopts new rules to improve flying for people with disabilities 10:26
Modex Therapeutics, in collaboration with Merck, announces Phase 1 clinical trial for Epstein-Barr Virus vaccine 14:03
Craig Bianco talks about his experience as a member of the Care Partner Advisory Board creating the MS Care Partner Connection web portal 17:26
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Find Out How You Can Become an MS Activist https://nationalmssociety.org/advocacy
RealTalk MS Episode 302: De-Stressing Air Travel if You're Living with MS with Dr. Scott Crawford https://realtalkms.com/302
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RealTalk MS Episode 385 Guest: Craig Bianco
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Dr. Jared Bruce is a neuropsychologist and the director of psychiatric research at the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine. Dr. Amanda Bruce is a clinical psychologist and an assistant professor in the Department of Behavioral Pediatrics at the University of Kansas Medical Center.
We're also reviewing the details of the Inflation Reduction Act, which means, beginning in 2025, significantly lower out-of-pocket costs for prescription medications for the quarter-million people with MS who are on Medicare.
We'll tell you about study results for a novel drug that was effective in remyelination and restoring lost function to mice with the mouse model of MS.
We'll share the details of a study that shows how specific comorbidities affect specific MS outcomes.
We'll review results of a study that shows men with MS who start a high-efficacy disease-modifying therapy experience fewer relapses.
And we'll tell you how an artificial intelligence chatbot soundly beat human experts in predicting the results of neuroscience studies.
We have a lot to talk about! Are you ready for RealTalk MS??!
This Week: Behavioral and Lifestyle risk factors for MS (and how to mitigate them) :22
It's 2025, and that means significant out-of-pocket savings on prescription medications for people with MS on Medicare 1:20
Novel drug shows effectiveness in remyelination and restoring function in mouse model of MS 3:26
Study shows how specific comorbidities affect specific MS outcomes 5:17
Study shows men on high-efficacy disease-modifying therapies experience fewer MS relapses 8:46
Study shows AI beats human experts in predicting results of neuroscience studies 12:22
Dr. Jared Bruce and Dr. Amanda Bruce discuss behavioral and lifestyle MS risk factors 16:43
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STUDY: Selective Retinoid X Receptor Agonism Promotes Functional Recovery and Myelin Repair in Experimental Autoimmune Encephalomyelitis https://actaneurocomms.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40478-024-01904-x
STUDY: Comorbidities and Their Association with Outcomes In the Multiple Sclerosis Population: A Rapid Review https://msard-journal.com/article/S2211-0348(24)00519-4/fulltext
STUDY EXPLAINED (Plain English): Comorbidities and Their Association with Outcomes In the Multiple Sclerosis Population: A Rapid Review https://tremlettsmsresearchexplained.wordpress.com/2024/10/29/comorbidities-and-their-association-with-outcomes-in-the-multiple-sclerosis-population-a-rapid-review-explained
STUDY: Comparative Effectiveness of High-Efficacy and Moderate-Efficacy Disease-Modifying Agents in Reducing the Annualized Relapse Rates Among Multiple Sclerosis Patients in the United States https://sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091743524003359
STUDY: Large Language Models Surpass Human Experts in Predicting Neuroscience Results https://nature.com/articles/s41562-024-02046-9
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RealTalk MS Episode 384 Guests: Dr. Jared Bruce and Dr. Amanda Bruce
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This Week: Revisiting ECTRIMS 2024 :22
Dr. Bruce Bebo shares the announcements and presentations that caught his eye at ECTRIMS 1:59
Kristine Werner Ozug shares a patient's perspective on attending the largest MS research conference in the world 14:07
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RealTalk MS Episode 383 Guests: Dr. Bruce Bebo and Kristine Werner Ozug
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Happy Holidays! :22
This Week: Revisiting our deep dive into women's health and MS :44
Dr. Rhonda Voskuhl discusses her research looking at why MS affects men and women differently 2:34
Dr. Anna Shah discusses how MS can affect women's health issues and how those health issues can affect MS 13:30
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RealTalk MS Episode 382 Guests: Dr. Anna Shah, Dr. Rhonda Voskuhl
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Joining me to talk about how an app called BeCare is already changing the game when it comes to MS care is the Chief Medical Officer of BeCareLink, Dr. Charisse Litchman.
The FDA has designated Tolebrutinib as a Breakthrough Therapy for the treatment of adults with non-relapsing secondary progressive MS. We're sharing the details.
We'll tell you where you can participate in a phase 2 clinical trial that's designed to test the efficacy of Foralumab, an investigational disease-modifying therapy formulated as a nasal spray, among adults with non-relapsing secondary progressive MS.
We'll share the details of a report that provides some frustrating data about out-of-pocket costs for MS prescription medications.
Dr. Alicyn Magruder reviews the risks and benefits of using off-label medications to manage MS.
And we'll share the results of a study that focused on how socioeconomic status impacts disease severity among kids and teens living with MS.
We have a lot to talk about! Are you ready for RealTalk MS??!
This Week: An app that can tell you if your MS is worsening :22
FDA awards Tolebrutinib Breakthrough Therapy designation 1:04
Phase 2 clinical trial for Foralumab adds 6 additional sites 3:13
Study compares out-of-pocket costs of MS DMTs with meds for other neurologic conditions 5:55
Dr. Alicyn Magruder discusses using off-label medications to manage MS 9:51
Study analyzes the impact of socioeconomic status on disease severity in pediatric-onset MS 15:27
Dr. Charisse Lichtman explains how the BeCare MS app is changing the game and providing an important bridge to better MS care 19:52
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CLINICAL TRIAL: A Study of Nasal Foralumab in Non-Active Secondary Progressive Multiple Sclerosis Patients https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT06292923
STUDY: Costs Are Still On the Rise for Commonly Prescribed Branded Neurologic Medications https://neurology.org/doi/10.1212/WNL.0000000000210029
STUDY: Association of Social Determinants of Health with Brain MRI Outcomes in Individuals with Pediatric Onset Multiple Sclerosis https://neurology.org/doi/10.1212/WNL.0000000000210140
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RealTalk MS Episode 381 Guests: Dr. Alicyn Magruder, Dr. Charisse Litchman
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Dr. Lisa Doggett returns to the podcast with tips and strategies for enjoying winter while staying healthy, safe, and warm.
We'll also remind you that the International Progressive MS Alliance global webcast is happening tomorrow -- Dec. 11th! And we'll share the details you'll need to sign up.
We'll tell you about study results from Sweden that show that experiencing serious COVID-19 makes it twice as likely that someone will develop MS. (And we'll tell you why those study results aren't as scary as they may sound!)
We're sharing research that has uncovered evidence of nerve damage in the central nervous system up to 9 years before someone experiences MS symptoms.
We'll tell you about a team of biomedical engineers who are creating a tiny implantable device that will warn you if your MS is worsening or if you're heading for a relapse.
And if you're over 55, you're living with MS, and you have 15 minutes to spare, we'll tell you about an online survey that we hope you'll decide to participate in.
We have a lot to talk about! Are you ready for RealTalk MS??!
This Week: Winning against winter when you're living with MS :22
Don't miss the International Progressive MS Alliance global webcast on Dec. 11 1:46
A study shows that serious COVID-19 doubles the likelihood that someone will develop MS 2:42
Research reveals that nerve damage can occur in the central nervous system up to 9 years before you can experience any symptoms of MS 6:13
Imagine a tiny device implanted in your arm that can alert you if your MS is worsening or you're headed for a relapse 8:48
If you're 55 years old or older and you've been diagnosed with MS, there's a survey just for you 10:56
Dr. Lisa Doggett shares tips and strategies for thriving in cold weather when you're living with MS 12:29
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REGISTER FOR THE WEBCAST: What We're Learning from Clinical Trials https://www.msif.org/webcast-clinical-trials
STUDY: SARS-CoV-2 Infection and Risk of Subsequent Demyelinating Diseases: National Register-Based Cohort Study https://academic.oup.com/braincomms/article/6/6/fcae406/7909395
STUDY: Temporal Dynamics of Plasma Neurofilament Light In Blood Donors with Preclinical Multiple Sclerosis https://neurology.org/doi/10.1212/NXI.0000000000200335
SURVEY: If you are 55 years old or older and living with MS, please complete https://illinois.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_5oM7xmdpdSphTiC
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RealTalk MS Episode 380 Guests: Dr. Lisa Doggett
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Disease-modifying therapies work, and, as a result, people with MS are living longer. With half the MS population over the age of 55, it's never been more urgent to understand how the process of aging impacts MS and how MS impacts the process of aging. In this special episode of RealTalk MS, Dr. Leorah Freeman discusses the many factors associated with aging with MS.
This special episode of RealTalk MS is sponsored by Viatris.
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RealTalk MS Episode V202 Guests: Dr. Leorah Freeman
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The National MS Society's Associate Vice President of Research, Dr. Kathy Zackowski, returns to the podcast to discuss the risks and benefits of participating in clinical research. We're also joined by Mimi Brown, who lives with primary progressive MS. Mimi will share her experiences as a participant in several MS research studies.
We'll also remember Professor Giancarlo Comi, a true giant in the MS research community who passed away last week.
We'll discuss the updated Brain Health -- Time Matters report.
We'll tell you about a research collaboration between the National MS Society, Breakthrough T1D (formerly the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation), and the Lupus Research Alliance.
And we're sharing the details about the International Progressive MS Alliance's upcoming global webcast.
We have a lot to talk about! Are you ready for RealTalk MS??!
Remembering Professor Giancarlo Comi :22
This Week: Participating in MS research 3:28
Experts release the Brain Health -- Time Matters report 4:10
The National MS Society teams up with Breakthrough T1D and the Lupus Research Alliance to fund research in common mechanisms that drive autoimmunity 6:35
The International Progressive MS Alliance is hosting a global webcast on Dec. 11 9:27
Dr. Kathy Zackowski and Mimi Brown discuss the risks and benefits of participating in MS research 10:58
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REPORT: Brain Health -- Time Matters https://www.msbrainhealth.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Brain-Health-Time-Matters-2024.pdf
VIDEO: Brain Health -- Time Matters https://www.msbrainhealth.org/launch-videos
Decoding Immunity: Common Mechanisms of Autoimmunity https://decodingautoimmunity.org
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RealTalk MS Episode 379 Guests: Dr. Kathy Zackowski and Mimi Brown
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Too often, care partners remain invisible as they deal with the emotional, physical, and even financial burdens that go along with supporting a loved one who's living with multiple sclerosis.
November is National Family Caregivers Month, and I'm devoting this entire episode to a roundtable discussion with four remarkable care partners as they share their insights, experiences, and lessons learned caring for a loved one with MS. You won't want to miss my conversation with Barbara, Marina, Maiya, and Matt.
We have a lot to talk about! Are you ready for RealTalk MS??!
Giving thanks :22
This Week: A roundtable discussion with four amazing MS care partners 1:31
Barbara, Marina, Maiya, and Matt discuss their roles as care partners 1:58
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RealTalk MS Episode 378 Guests: Barbara, Marina, Maiya, and Matt
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