RecTalk Podcast - Explore Recruitment Insights

In this episode of RecTalk, Nitin Sharma sits down with one of the most behind-the-scenes operators in recruitment tech – Darren Brown, Co-Founder of LogicMelon.

LogicMelon has quietly been powering job distribution, candidate attraction and recruitment data insights for over a decade – and in this conversation, Darren lifts the lid on how the platform was built by recruiters, for recruiters, and why job posting alone is no longer enough to win in today’s market.

Darren shares the LogicMelon origin story, from spotting frustrations with early multiposters to building a highly customisable platform that now spans job distribution, ATS, CRM and analytics dashboards – all under one roof. The conversation dives deep into how recruitment agencies can make smarter, data-led decisions instead of “throwing darts in the dark”.

You’ll also hear Darren’s candid views on:

• Why job boards are being used less – but aren’t going anywhere
• The rise of cost-per-application (CPA) and cost-per-click (CPC) pricing models
• Why more applications doesn’t equal better hiring outcomes
• How agencies should think about candidate attraction vs candidate management
• The real role AI should play in recruitment tech (and where it falls short)
• Why SMB and sub-50-user agencies are underserved by bloated CRMs
• How recruitment businesses should prepare for 2026 and beyond

This is a practical, honest conversation about what’s actually working in recruitment technology today – and what’s just noise.

🔗 Connect with the guest

Darren Brown: https://www.linkedin.com/in/darrenbrownuk/

Check out LogicMelon: https://www.rectools.io/product/logicmelon/

🔗 Connect with the host

Nitin Sharma: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nitin-rectools/

Discover recruitment tools and services: https://www.rectools.io/

New episodes of RecTalk, including Founder Diaries and Talking Talent, drop on Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Look out for new episodes of The Mixed Grill — the official podcast of the Recruitment Curry Club — dropping on Thursday.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-recruitment-curry-club/

Listen on another platform: https://rectalk.co.uk/

#RecTalk #RecruitmentTechnology #LogicMelon #RecruitmentCRM #JobBoards #RecruitmentData #HiringTrends #AIinRecruitment #StaffingAgency #RecruitmentInsights #Rectools

In this episode of RecTalk, Nitin Sharma sits down with Will Astbury, Global Head of Marketing at SourceFlow, to break down what a modern recruitment website really needs to do in 2026 and beyond.

This is not a conversation about “pretty websites”.

Will goes deep on how recruitment websites should act as growth engines – driving inbound candidates, client leads, SEO visibility, AI discoverability, and ultimately measurable revenue.

They explore how Google, ChatGPT, and AI search engines are fundamentally changing how candidates and clients find recruiters, why most agencies are already falling behind, and what recruitment leaders need to fix now if they want to stay competitive.

From AI-powered job matching and analytics, to SEO strategies built around real consultants (not generic AI blogs), to proving exactly how much revenue your website generates – this episode is packed with insights for founders, marketers, and recruiters alike.

🧠 Topics Covered in This Episode

• What actually makes a great recruitment website (beyond design)
• Why recruitment websites must be built for Google Jobs and AI search
• How ChatGPT and AI “answer engines” are reshaping inbound recruitment leads
• Why SEO is becoming harder – and more important – than ever
• How recruitment agencies can appear in AI-generated search summaries
• The danger of AI-generated content without real expertise
• Building thought leadership through recruiters, not just marketing teams
• Why salary surveys still work (and how to turn them into lead engines)
• Using your website as the hub for inbound marketing campaigns
• Tracking candidates, clients, and leads directly into your ATS
• AI-powered CV matching and uncovering “hidden” high-quality candidates
• Measuring website ROI: tracking placements and revenue back to your site
• Why data-led decision making beats recruiter “gut feel”
• The future of recruitment marketing analytics
• Accessibility on recruitment websites – and why it’s a massive missed opportunity
• Common marketing mistakes recruitment agencies keep repeating
• Why tokenistic employer branding hurts more than it helps

🔗 Connect with the guest

Will Astbury: https://www.linkedin.com/in/willastbury/

Check out SourceFlow: https://www.rectools.io/product/sourceflow/

🔗 Connect with the host

Nitin Sharma: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nitin-rectools/

Discover recruitment tools and services: https://www.rectools.io/

New episodes of RecTalk, including Founder Diaries and Talking Talent, drop every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Look out for new episodes of The Mixed Grill — the official podcast of the Recruitment Curry Club — dropping on Thursdays.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-recruitment-curry-club/

Listen on another platform: https://rectalk.co.uk/

#RecTalk #RecruitmentMarketing #RecruitmentWebsites #SEOForRecruiters #AIInRecruitment #ChatGPT #InboundRecruitment #RecruitmentTechnology #ATS #RecruitmentAnalytics #SourceFlow #Rectools #RecruitmentLeadership

In this episode of RecTalk, host Nitin Sharma is joined by Cam Brady, Business Development lead at Tracker – a recruitment CRM and ATS that quietly does a lot of heavy lifting without shouting about it.

Tracker has been around for over 20 years, and in this conversation we unpack why so many agencies stick with it, what makes their all-in-one approach genuinely different, and how they’re thinking about the real future of recruitment tech – beyond buzzwords and shiny AI marketing.

They talk openly about where CRMs fall down, why recruiters are drowning in admin, and how tech should be giving time back – not stealing it.

Cam shares how Tracker has evolved from a traditionally “clean” perm-focused system into a platform that now supports temp, high-volume, shift-based and complex recruitment models, all without bolting together dozens of third-party tools.

They also dig into:

• Why Tracker isn’t a marketplace CRM – and why that matters
• Native automation, CV formatting, note-taking, marketing, compliance, timesheets and back office
• How recruiters can stop living in clicks and start having more conversations
• Real talk on AI in recruitment (what’s hype vs what should be baseline)
• Tracker’s upcoming conversational AI (“Eva”) and what a “Jarvis” style CRM actually looks like
• LinkedIn Recruiter integrations done properly (no scraping, no nonsense)
• Why change management is harder than selling tech
• How agencies should really be looking at revenue data, not assumptions
• Where Tracker fits in the market – SMB vs enterprise, pricing, modules, and scale
• Why customer support and long-term product thinking still matter

This is an honest, practical conversation about building recruitment tech that recruiters actually want to use – and why letting the product do the talking often beats shouting the loudest.

🔗 Connect with the guest

Cam Brady: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cambradytrackerrms/

Check out Tracker: https://www.rectools.io/product/tracker/

🔗 Connect with the host

Nitin Sharma: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nitin-rectools/

Discover recruitment tools and services: https://www.rectools.io/

New episodes of RecTalk, including Founder Diaries and Talking Talent, drop every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Look out for new episodes of The Mixed Grill — the official podcast of the Recruitment Curry Club — dropping on Thursdays.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-recruitment-curry-club/

Listen on another platform: https://rectalk.co.uk/

#RecTalk #RecruitmentTechnology #RecruitmentCRM #ATS #RecruitmentAI #RecruitmentSoftware #StaffingTech #RecruitmentOps #Rectools #TrackerRMS

In this episode of Founder Diaries, Nitin Sharma sits down with Joel Dalton, exited founder of Clone, strategic advisor, and NED, to unpack what really happens after you scale a business — and what founders rarely prepare for.

Joel shares the unfiltered story of building Clone into a £7m marketing services business, navigating Covid, founder burnout, financial blind spots, and ultimately choosing an Employee Ownership Trust (EOT) as his exit path. This is a candid conversation about founder reliance, designing a business that can survive without you, and reclaiming time, energy, and purpose post-exit.

Together, Nitin and Joel dive into why so many founders accidentally build “well-paid jobs”, the warning signs of burnout, and how to create a business that gives you optionality — whether that’s scaling, stepping back, or exiting entirely.

What you’ll learn in this episode:

• Why founder reliance kills exit value (and how to fix it)
• What an Employee Ownership Trust (EOT) actually is — and why it’s misunderstood
• How Covid forced a hard rethink on resilience and value creation
• The financial blind spots most founders ignore until it’s too late
• Scaling pains: hiring too fast, protecting culture, and bad hires
• Why most founders don’t really have a “lifestyle business”
• The emotional reality of stepping away from a company you built
• Burnout, pressure, and unlearning hustle culture
• How Joel now helps founders escape the owner-operator trap
• Why having a “fractional co-founder” mindset can change everything

This episode is honest, reflective, and packed with lived experience — especially for founders questioning whether the business they built is still serving the life they want.

Who this episode is for:

• Founders thinking about an exit (now or someday)
• Business owners feeling stuck or overly relied upon
• Entrepreneurs approaching burnout
• Leaders scaling past the owner-operator stage
• Anyone curious about alternative exit routes like EOTs
• Founders who want freedom without burning everything down

🔗 Connect with the guest

Joel Dalton: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joel-dalton-02191421/

Clone: https://clone-media.co.uk/

🔗 Connect with the host

Nitin Sharma: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nitin-rectools/

Discover recruitment tools and services: https://www.rectools.io/

New episodes of RecTalk, including Founder Diaries and Talking Talent, drop every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Look out for new episodes of The Mixed Grill — the official podcast of the Recruitment Curry Club — dropping on Thursdays.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-recruitment-curry-club/

Listen on another platform: https://rectalk.co.uk/

#FounderDiaries #RecTalk #FounderExit #EmployeeOwnership #BusinessGrowth #FounderBurnout #EntrepreneurLife #ScalingBusinesses #FounderFreedom #LeadershipJourney

As 2025 comes to a close, host Nitin Sharma takes a moment to reflect on a transformational year for RecTalk and the wider recruitment community. This isn’t just a highlight reel — it’s a heartfelt, behind-the-scenes look at the journey of building something from nothing, the power of community, and the resilience it takes to keep showing up.

In this special end-of-year episode, you'll hear from former guests, recommended suppliers, clients, and friends of RecTalk who share their hopes, lessons, and game-changing advice for recruiters heading into 2026. From cracking 100K+ subscribers to launching new series like Founder Diaries and Talking Talent, from live podcasting at RecFest and IHR to helping build real conversations at industry events — this year has been all about showing up and staying real.

Expect raw insights, personal gratitude, and some serious motivation to carry you into the new year.

Who this episode is for:

• Recruiters reflecting on 2025 and planning for 2026
• Recruitment business owners looking for inspiration and real talk
• RecTalk community members who’ve been part of the journey
• Anyone who just needs a reminder that progress doesn’t have to be perfect

Featuring voices from across the RecTalk ecosystem:

• Poonam Mawani (Azuki Accounts) on financial discipline
• Emily White (SourceWhale) on using tech to streamline your job
• Ross Thompson (Infinity Global Staff) on simplifying success
• Ben Fielding (Quinset) on inbox engagement
• Bobby Russell (Contact Business Finance) on surviving in a tough climate
• Kan Mallawathantri (Avensys Tech) on getting your IT sorted
• Andy Dunne (TEAM Network) on doubling down on real connections
• Robert Woodford (The Marketing Junction) on getting the basics right
• Kris Holland (Kitto) on tripling your marketing
• Matt Fox (Exitus Advisory) on planning your exit

Here’s to the RecTalk community — for showing up, sharing, and supporting. This episode is for you.

#RecTalk #RecruitmentCommunity #2025Recap #RecruitmentPodcast #Rectools #HappyNewYear2026 #RecruitmentTips #FounderDiaries #TalkingTalent #RecruitmentTech #ResilienceInRecruitment

In this episode of RecTalk, Nitin Sharma sits down with the man many recruiters know as “Backdoor Barry” — Barry Cullen, Partner & Solicitor at recLAW, one of the UK’s leading specialist law firms serving the recruitment industry.

Barry lifts the lid on what recLAW really does (spoiler: it’s much more than just backdoor fee claims), how the firm has grown to a multi-lawyer practice, and why recruiters often misunderstand legal risk until it’s too late.

This is a straight-talking, myth-busting conversation covering everything from fee disputes and effective cause, to restrictive covenants that actually are enforceable, preventative legal strategies, and why recruiters need to stop relying on luck instead of systems.

What you’ll learn in this episode:

• Why “we didn’t agree terms” and “you didn’t cause the engagement” are the most common fee dispute arguments
• How to contract out of effective cause (and why it matters)
• Practical steps recruiters can take to protect fees before disputes happen
• The truth about restrictive covenants — and real cases where recruiters were fined heavily
• Why restraints of trade aren’t “worthless” (despite what LinkedIn says)
• How recLAW helps recruiters with disputes, employment law, corporate deals, and M&A
• The danger of celebrating fees before the cash hits the bank
• Why prevention is cheaper (and smarter) than firefighting legal problems
• How recruitment businesses sabotage themselves by ignoring process, training, and documentation

Barry also shares candid views on recruiter reputation, ethical misconceptions about lawyers, and why recruiters should value their own expertise more confidently.

This episode is essential listening for any recruitment business owner who wants fewer disputes, stronger protection, and fewer nasty surprises.

🔗 Connect with the guest

Barry Cullen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/barrycullen/

Check out recLAW: https://www.rectools.io/product/reclaw/

🔗 Connect with the host

Nitin Sharma: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nitin-rectools/

Discover recruitment tools and services: https://www.rectools.io/

New episodes of RecTalk, including Founder Diaries and Talking Talent, drop every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Look out for new episodes of The Mixed Grill — the official podcast of the Recruitment Curry Club — dropping on Thursdays.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-recruitment-curry-club/

Listen on another platform: https://rectalk.co.uk/

#RecTalk #RecruitmentLaw #BackdoorFees #FeeDisputes #RestrictiveCovenants #RecruitmentAgency #RecruitmentBusiness #RecruiterProblems #recLAW #Rectools

In this episode of RecTalk, Nitin Sharma sits down with Andrew Philipson, Founder of JOBBA, to unpack one of the biggest problems in recruitment today: why businesses hate agencies, why great recruiters are getting punished, and what a fairer model actually looks like.

Andrew shares the real story behind building JOBBA — a platform designed to connect businesses directly with independent recruiters, cutting out bloated agency margins while increasing transparency, trust, and outcomes for everyone involved.

They dive deep into:

• Why the UK recruitment market is flooded with “cowboy recruiters” and how that’s damaged trust
• How JOBBA removes agencies entirely and empowers solo recruiters to earn more for their work
• Why businesses can reduce fees by up to 80% without sacrificing quality
• The difference between business development skills and true recruitment delivery
• How JOBBA’s open market model gives hiring managers access to dozens of specialist recruiters instantly
• The power of candidate verification to stop CV spamming and misrepresentation
• Why candidates are becoming the real scarce commodity again
• How JOBBA can act as a lifeline for out-of-work TA professionals, in-between gigs, on maternity leave, or going solo
• What JOBBA Teams are, and how companies can build their own on-demand recruitment squads
• Lessons learned from 18 months of MVP testing, fundraising struggles, and building a product recruiters actually want

Andrew also opens up about his personal “why” — frustration with seeing brilliant recruiters tarred by the same brush as bad actors — and his mission to create an ecosystem where good recruiters can finally thrive.

This episode is a must-listen if you’re questioning traditional agency models or thinking about what recruitment should look like in 2026 and beyond.

🔗 Connect with the guest

Andrew Philipson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewphilipson/

Check out JOBBA: https://www.rectools.io/product/jobba/

🔗 Connect with the host

Nitin Sharma: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nitin-rectools/

Discover recruitment tools and services: https://www.rectools.io/

New episodes of RecTalk, including Founder Diaries and Talking Talent, drop every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Look out for new episodes of The Mixed Grill — the official podcast of the Recruitment Curry Club — dropping on Thursdays.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-recruitment-curry-club/

Listen on another platform: https://rectalk.co.uk/

#RecTalk #RecruitmentPodcast #IndependentRecruiters #TalentAcquisition #HiringTech #RecruitmentInnovation #FutureOfWork #JOBBA #RecruitmentMarketplace #Rectools

In this episode of RecTalk, Nitin Sharma is joined at Kitto Towers by Kris Holland, Founder of Kitto, and Rich Evans, to unpack one of the most common (and costly) problems in recruitment businesses today: getting marketing completely wrong.

Together, they dive deep into why so many recruitment founders struggle with marketing, the outdated assumptions holding agencies back, and why treating marketing as a “tick-box” or junior hire almost always ends in disappointment.

From the dangers of hiring a single junior marketer and expecting them to be a graphic designer, copywriter, strategist, and CMO all in one, to the real reason recruiters still over-index on cold calling and outdated KPIs, this conversation challenges how recruitment businesses think about growth.

You’ll hear honest perspectives on:

• Why recruitment owners undervalue marketing as a core business function
• The false belief that marketing must show immediate, linear ROI
• Why sales and marketing are no longer separate in modern recruitment
• The shift from cold calling as a closing tool to a top-of-funnel activity
• How marketing should exist to make sales easier (not harder)
• When outsourcing, fractional support, or agencies make more sense than in-house hires
• The role of personal brand, content, podcasts, and community in winning future work
• Why recruiters are still running their businesses like it’s 2010
• How better systems, tech stacks, and education change everything

This is a no-fluff, real-world conversation for recruitment leaders who know the market has changed—but aren’t quite sure how to adapt their go-to-market strategy.

🔗 Connect with the guests

Kris Holland: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kris-holland/

Rich Evans: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richarde1/

Check out Kitto: https://www.rectools.io/product/kitto/

🔗 Connect with the host

Nitin Sharma: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nitin-rectools/

Discover recruitment tools and services: https://www.rectools.io/

New episodes of RecTalk, including Founder Diaries and Talking Talent, drop every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Look out for new episodes of The Mixed Grill — the official podcast of the Recruitment Curry Club — dropping on Thursdays.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-recruitment-curry-club/

Listen on another platform: https://rectalk.co.uk/

#RecTalk #RecruitmentMarketing #AgencyGrowth #RecruitmentLeadership #GoToMarket #RecruitmentBusiness #B2BSales #RecruitmentFounders #MarketingStrategy #PersonalBrand

Welcome back to Talking Talent, a RecTalk podcast, hosted by Nitin Sharma and Sean Kennedy.

In this episode, we’re joined by Gita Selli, an experienced in-house talent leader who brings real-world, no-BS insight into what’s going wrong with candidate experience — and what talent teams should be doing instead.

With candidate frustration at an all-time high, ghosting now “normalised”, and AI being used for convenience rather than value, this conversation digs deep into how recruitment has lost its human touch — and how to get it back.

What we cover in this episode:

• Why candidate experience is at an all-time low and who’s really responsible
• The damage caused by ghosting, overcomplicated hiring processes, and poor stakeholder management
• How many interview stages is too many (and why 6-stage processes kill good candidates)
• Why feedback matters, even when the answer is “no” — and how it impacts employer reputation
• The right (and wrong) ways to use AI in recruitment
• Why “auto-reject” and transactional tech is harming talent teams
• The importance of transparent, honest rejection messaging
• How smaller TA teams can outperform big brands by being human
• Employer branding that actually works — no stock photos, no fake messaging
• Using real employees and simple video to boost applications (at zero cost)
• Why if your people won’t advocate for your company, the problem isn’t branding — it’s culture
• Hiring for reality, not hype: “the holiday has to match the brochure”
• Lessons from in-house vs agency recruitment
• Personal career reflections, leadership honesty, and staying human in high-pressure TA roles

This episode is candid, funny, occasionally brutal, and packed with practical advice for anyone involved in hiring — whether you’re in TA, recruitment leadership, or building employer brand from scratch.

Who this episode is for:

• Talent Acquisition professionals
• Internal recruiters and in-house TA leaders
• Recruitment leaders frustrated with broken hiring processes
• Employer branding and EVP specialists
• Hiring managers involved in interview design
• Anyone who cares about treating candidates like humans

🔗 Connect with the guest

Gita Selli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gita-selli/

Loadsmart: https://loadsmart.com/

🔗 Connect with the hosts

Sean Kennedy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanthetaguy/

Nitin Sharma: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nitin-rectools/

New episodes of RecTalk, plus Founder Diaries and Talking Talent, drop every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Look out for new episodes of The Mixed Grill — the official podcast of the Recruitment Curry Club — dropping on Thursday.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-recruitment-curry-club/

Listen on another platform: https://rectalk.co.uk/

🔗 Get in touch with these recommended suppliers

Ross Thompson — Infinity Staff Global: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rossnthompson/

Matt Fox — Exitus Advisory: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-fox-50b10311/

SourceFlow: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sourceflow/

Robert Woodford — The Marketing Junction: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marketing4recs/

Carl Jones — Konquest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carl-jones-66093722/

#TalkingTalent #RecTalk #CandidateExperience #TalentAcquisition #Recruitment #EmployerBranding #Hiring #PeopleFirst #RecruitmentLeadership #TA #HumanRecruitment

In this powerful Founder Diaries episode of RecTalk, host Nitin Sharma, founder of the whole-of-market recruitment directory Rectools.io, sits down with two industry heavyweights:

Kirsty Craig (40 years in recruitment, founder of KCA People) and
Pauline Emmott-Royston (Founder of Neom Recruitment, 26 years in the game).

Together, they unpack why your hiring process — not recruitment itself — is actually broken.

This episode dives into real, unfiltered recruitment truths: how candidates think, why employer brand matters more than ever, why businesses struggle with retention, and why treating people like humans (not widgets on a conveyor belt) is the most underrated hiring advantage.

Expect honest stories, decades of experience, and straight-talking advice that every recruitment leader, HR team, founder, hiring manager and TA professional needs to hear.

🔗 Connect with the guests

Kirsty Craig: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirstycraig/

Pauline Emmott-Royston: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pauline-emmott-royston-45261836/

🔗 Connect with the host

Nitin Sharma: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nitin-rectools/

Discover recruitment tools and services: https://www.rectools.io/

New episodes of RecTalk, plus Founder Diaries and Talking Talent, drop every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Look out for new episodes of The Mixed Grill — the official podcast of the Recruitment Curry Club — dropping on Thursday.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-recruitment-curry-club/

Listen on another platform: https://rectalk.co.uk/

🔗 Get in touch with these recommended suppliers

Ross Thompson — Infinity Staff Global: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rossnthompson/

Matt Fox — Exitus Advisory: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-fox-50b10311/

SourceFlow: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sourceflow/

Robert Woodford — The Marketing Junction: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marketing4recs/

Carl Jones — Konquest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carl-jones-66093722/

#RecruitmentPodcast #FounderDiaries #RecTalk #EmployerBrand #HiringProcess #RecruitmentTruths #CandidateExperience #HRLeadership #TalentAcquisition #RecruitmentConsultancy #RetentionMatters #RecruitmentIndustry #NitinSharma #Rectools