As thousands of animals are being suffocated, drowned, or shot as many Covid-infected slaughterhouses grind to a halt, Leah Garces of Mercy for Animals joins Thom to consider the morality of a food system that treats both animals and workers as disposable.

Even as emissions drop during lockdown, what are the larger consequences of the huge portion of total carbon emissions that result from feeding and raising animals? And what is the latest science telling us about the intelligence of animals?- PETA founder Ingrid Newkirk joins Thom to talk about her latest book on the subject.

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