[You can find a transcript of this conversation in the article version posted on our website] This episode focuses on Greece’s so-called new generation refugee camps, officially known as Closed Controlled Access Centres or CCACs. These are high-tech compounds located on islands such as Samos and Lesvos used to process, detain, and surveil people on the move. You’ll hear from voices across spatial practice, activism, and journalism to unpack how these sites operate as extra legal spaces, contributing to a wider ongoing project of the intense management of migration. This podcast was written by System of Systems, co-founded by Maria […]